Interview with Kalliope Meier – Renewed doubts about Billy Meier

Hans-Werner Peiniger in the interview with Billy Meier’s wife Kalliope.

You all know the Swiss contactee Eduard “Billy” Meier, who claims to maintain contact with extraterrestrial intelligence, whose origin is in the region of the Pleiades (Seven Sisters). For authentication, over the years, he has presented hundreds of UFO photos showing Pleiadian spaceships. In the past, we have addressed the case several times, and in JUFOF Nr. 79, 1’92: 17ff I published a detailed review of the book “Guido Moosbrugger: Und sie fliegen doch …”, in which I once again expressed our skeptical attitude towards the fantastic claims of Meier. “Skeptical attitude” is actually already understated. In our opinion, which is shared by all serious researchers, Meier’s contacts are conscious “inventions,” the UFO photos are counterfeits, and the core group around Meier is a sect-like community.

While in the German-speaking world, only a few gullible fell for the Meier’s claims, Meier’s stories are widely disseminated in Japan and the USA. Meier’s numerous fakes have already been demonstrated and his credibility is at the lowest end of the possible scale. It is therefore all the more incomprehensible when the Magazin 2000 chief editor Michael Hesemann considers Billy Meier “one of the most fascinating people of our day”. But perhaps he means, one of the most cunning people of our day, who can live very well with the money of his patrons. And if Mr Hesemann also writes that there are “some photos that appeared are rather dubious” and these have been contaimated by Meier’s opponents, by the extraterrestrials, or by Meier himself, to protect himself and his family (preface to Meier’s book “The Truth on the Pleiades, Neuwied, 1996), then it belongs to quite a good portion of naivety. While one might not expect publishers, who predominantly publish esoteric literature and reopen the stage by publishing Meier’s new book for the gullible public, to analyze the critical context, however, Germany’s UFO experts (abroad as well) and authorities in the field should already do it. Here Hesemann must finally adopt a clear position and not make seemingly assertive statements of indecisiveness that gives support crossing the threshold of sectarianism. A new development in the ‘Meier case’ is being developed, which even Michael Hesemann can’t avoid and wouldn’t want himself to become a forerunner of Meier’s. It is hardly known that Meier’s wife has since separated from her husband and lives in divorce. For the first time, she broke her silence against the Swiss colleague Luc Bürgin, who spoke with Mrs. Meier and had the interview published in the UFO-KURIER (No. 30, 4’97: 14ff). We can already learn from this that according to Ms. Meier, “his contacts are all about lies and deception.” For example, there was an explanation for the photograph of an extraterrestrial with a ray- gun or Meier’s “Wedding cake ship” photo, for which he had obviously used a simple barrel lid.

Since now Mrs. Meier apparently opened up to critical UFO researchers as well, I (hereinafter referred to as ‘hwp’) took advantage of the opportunity to have a half-hour conversation with Mrs. Kalliope Meier (‘KM’) in the beginning of May. Even though some things could not be discussed in detail, or perhaps made clear, Mrs. Meier gave us a little insight into the life and work of her husband.

Hwp:
How did it actually come to divorce and did you have a specific task in the farm of your husband?

KM:
I have not been to the farm since 1994. The last year [1996] in June, I resigned [from FIGU]. This is quite clear, because his present girlfriend, who has been living on the farm for 18 years, expects a child from him. My fixed task, of course, was the whole household. I have cooked for the crew, with children about 16 people, and received visitors. In addition, I took care of the library and edited the mails of about 100 to 120 passive members.

Hwp:
Your husband has been accused that he has more or less formed and leads a cult-like community. What do you think of that accusation?

KM:
In order to answer one should be involved there for a long enough period, work with them, talk with them and discuss with them, observe it all and then come up with a conclusion whether or not they are a cult. But it does look like it is one. There are many paragraphs and laws within the group – no smoking allowed- you may not do this or that, one can not go out, one can not do this and so on – the one rule after the other. Criticism is not tolerated nor expressed.

Hwp:
Is the core group living at your husband’s farm actually a ‘blindly following group’?

KM:
In a certain way yes. Those people are committed to believe, otherwise they wouldn’t have even decided to live there in the farm. When my husband says something is like that, it is like that. There is no debate about it. When my husband says “my wife stole this and that”, that is true, without discussion – everyone must believe it – without criticism . If one does not believe this or stick to it, then one suddenly becomes an outsider.

Hwp:
Does your husband deal authoritatively with the group?

KM:
If he agrees with anything, the group agrees. You can’t say ‘no’. It is rather authoritarian, dictatorial and hierarchical.

Hwp:
In the last few years, you had won many friends within the core group. How did they react to the allegations of your husband that you had stolen certain things? Did they stand behind you or did they abandon you immediately?

KM:
The group members were all my friends. Because of these false accusations, which my husband asserts against me, they all now are against me. They actually have abandoned me. It is sad because the truth is not the way it describes it. People have to listen to me again, to what I witnessed everything. The group members do not know much – I have my husband covered, so to speak. As when the group members are e.g. not on the farm, since they were working during the day, they did not experience everything, as I did. They know nothing about many things. This is the kind of stuff that I do not want to bring out. This is not in my character. It is also far from me to destroy my husband, as he says, because there were also nice moments and times, which I do not want to smear with ‘muck’.

Hwp:
Your husband has been accused by the serious UFO-investigations for falsifying photos and similar …

KM:
It’s really tragic and mean, what my husband does. To this I can say that these all, that my husband has made, are really fakes. To prove this, one only needs time to look and compare the photos and material.

Hwp:
Have you ever seen your husband fake photos?

KM:
One simply do not see how he fabricates the photos. At this point, I have only once seen something – as a model. That’s all. However, I had stumbled, when my husband published a contact report last year, where he had his last photos depicted. They showed just a lid. And the mean thing here is that the Guido (Moosbrugger) still holds these photos for his lectures in America. So, one has to do something about it!

Hwp:
Does your husband had any opportunity, to fake the pictures unnoticed?

KM:
Sure, he’s a free man. He has gone and come as he has done. He has not asked or thought I have a family or I have children. And these things the group members do not see. My husband was for days and nights away, away from home. We did not know where he had gone. Days or weeks later he presents us with new photos or similar. There has always been something after his return.

Hwp:
What do you think about the photo analyses of the American scientists, given the fact that the photos are just counterfeits, ?

KM:
I have the feeling that there are a lot of cheats in America. Now, If I go from what Mr. Korff writes in his book (Spaceships of the Plejades – The Billy Meier Story. Prometheus, Loughton, 1995 – reviewed in JUFOF Nr. 110, 2’97:61), then that can’t be true what my husband has always said about these scientists.

Hwp:
What do you know about the metal samples that were allegedly tested?

KM:
In the meantime, I have read through several chemistry books and I think that these metals are composed of different chemicals / alloys. I do not think there are extraterrestrial metals.

Hwp:
You are currently being vehemently attacked by your husband in the contact reports or on the Internet (via http://www.alien.de/figu/FIGUHP50.HTM). What does he specifically accuse you of?

KM:
Mainly that I have stolen many things, or that I was already against him in Hinterschmidrüti, and that I have somehow influenced the passive members, etc. All such things are not at all true.

Hwp:
What does your husband actually think about his group members? Are these for him only ‘fools’ who finance him a beautiful life?

KM:
Yes, of course. Besides, he lives free up there on the farm. Every man would be glad if he had had such a life. Each member must donate part of their income. Everything must also be financed, the mortgages, electricity etc. He can’t bear it himself.

Hwp:
Does your husband actually believe in his contacts with the Pleiadians?

KM:
Yes, yes, he already believes in it. He is convinced that this is so. And to be able to prove these contacts, he falsifies the photos. So that he can always tell the people of the core group, look, this has been so and so. He needs the people, he can’t stand alone on his own. He doesn’t want to come out of his psychic labyrinth. Because if he wanted to get out of there, he would have to live very poor afterwards.

Hwp:
How are things going on now?

KM:
My husband is continuing as before. I am currently very satisfied and I have realized what I have wanted for years, namely, to join the nursing profession. It is very nice to see how people become happy when one helps them a bit. To be honest, I attach great  importance to the human and not to this power. For me therefore it was always a pain, that people have been deceived by my husband, and I even have backed him up.

Hwp:
I thank you for the information and I wish you all the best for your new life.

 

Source: JUFOF, Nr. 111, March 1997 (German)

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