Luc Bürgin interviews Kalliope – UFO-Kurier, Nr. 30, April 1997


KALLIOPE MEIER BREAKS HER SILENCE

Almost a year ago, Basel author and UFO researcher Luc Bürgin reported about his doubts about the Billy-Meier case in the UFO-KURIER, triggering a flood of controversial reactions. Meier’s new verbal attacks against all who have doubts about his pronouncements have caused Kalliope, his wife, to break her silence after more than twenty years. In an exclusive interview with Luc Bürgin, she admits for the first time that her husband’s alleged contact experiences are purely fictional.

Luc Bürgin:
Mrs. Meier, you have now moved out of the FIGU center in Hinterschmidrüti. The divorce process with your husband is still going. Now you are going public for the first time. What led you to this?

Kalliope Meier:
To start with, I am absolutely not against Billy Meier, the man. I am not saying that he is a bad person, the way he says I am today. I do not want to destroy him, instead love him for everything in the past. Besides, how else could I have done it so for so many years. No, I am simply concerned with the fact that he finally tells the truth as it is, that his contacts are lies and deception. I would not mind, for example, that his followers, such as Guido Moosbrugger, would give lectures and write books, if their contents corresponded to the truth. I am just against the fact that everything is connected with fictitious extraterrestrials and then the people are served with these lies. The fact that I now come to the public is, in any case, indirectly concerned with our divorce, inasmuch as the distance from the center helped me to finally think clearly again. The decisive factor for my decision was ultimately the fact that I helped lie to countless people for twenty years. I cannot do it. But at least I want to stand by it today.

Bürgin:
Billy obviously wanted to forbid you to talk to me …

Meier:
That is true: in 1996 over the phone, he explicitly forbade me to discuss the background of his “experiences” with you. The talk is not upright for him: if he had a clear conscience, then he would not have to fear criticism, and would not have to counter every accusation raised against him, from my counter verbal sweeping-blows.

Bürgin:
When did you first have any doubts about the contact stories of your husband?

Meier:
Actually, as early as the middle of the seventies, when I saved a photo negative from the fire, on which were photographed models without a doubt. Then, naturally, I thought to myself. In addition, Billy’s contacts, when witnesses were present, often took place at night, and he never stayed with us during the actual contact. Be it the alleged whirrings of the spaceship, or the appearance of some candle-like glow in the sky, he was always present. At that time, it was never thoroughly questioned, because one was caught in a belief system. One just wanted to believe him. Everyone, including me, lied. With a guilty conscience, I must now confess that I have at that time consciously lied to hundreds of people, and that I have pretended that my husband’s descriptions corresponded to reality.

Bürgin:
A key experience for you was the year 1995 …

Meier:
At that time, the Zurich daily newspaper reported on Billy. In the photo, my husband was photographed in front of a plant, which stood on a converted barrel top. Barrels like this were often used on our farm. And this barrel lid now showed striking similarities with some of the saucers photographed by Billy. Then I felt the scales fall from my eyes … I told him then and showed him about the similarities. He acted as if he didn’t noticed, pretending that the parallels had never occurred to him. But a short time later, in his contact reports, an abstruse explanation appeared, which once again made extraterrestrial beings responsible for the visual correspondence. That made me finally wonder: All these years it had never been mentioned, and when I addressed it to him, a justification suddenly appeared.

Bürgin:
Do you have a guess as to how Billy’s UFO images came together?

Meier:
Partially. Some of Billy’s photographed motherships are obviously our house lanterns, which he snapped with an open aperture. For other pictures, as already mentioned, he would have used simple barrel lids to which he attached additional items. He seems to have even used toy tops found in our yard at that time for his trickery.

Bürgin:
Particularly controversial, among other things, is a photo, in which an extraterrestrial visitor is to be depicted together with her ray gun …

Meier:
The origin of this photograph was indeed dubious: Billy asked us back then to leave the farm for some time. When we finally left, I saw Mrs. G., whose hairstyle was strikingly similar to the “extraterrestrial” photographed later by Billy. A few weeks later Billy showed us the images. For G.’s gold suit, he was indeed using a tanning-foil, which could be purchased at any time in any major Swiss department store. Ms. G. by the way  got prohibited from the area shortly after the image exposures were made…

Bürgin:
The FIGU is often compared with sect-like structures. Are such comparisons justified?

Meier:
When I was still living in the center, this criticism came to my ears several times. And when I think about it all in retrospect, such comparisons are probably not entirely without merit. If a free community is formed and devoted to truth, its members should at least be allowed to criticize, should be free to think and not only to believe. But this has not been the case with FIGU. In addition, there is no reason to think up there anyway because faith is at the center of all activities.

Bürgin:
Billy often reported that the negatives of particularly controversial recordings had been stolen …

Meier:
If that is exactly how everything exactly went then, I do not know for sure. But to assert that strangers had stolen them from his office, as he occasionally said, has no logic. His workrooms were always closed. I myself also kept the photo material in my room. And with me during the whole year never lost any of it. In addition, the photos disappeared whenever the clues of their manipulation piled up. The newspaper Blick, for example, published an imaginary portrait of San Francisco after an earthquake. Shortly afterwards Billy presented us the same photos. But as critics became aware of the parallels, the images again quickly disappeared.

Bürgin:
In the last few months, you have been attacked by your husband in various writings. How do you deal with that?

Meier:
If he calls me today a “liar and deceiver”, then it hurts me. In the meantime, he has even issued me an area ban, because I would work to destroy his mission. I find that a man like him, who constantly stresses honesty and love in life, unmasks himself when he reacts. We lived together for twenty years, and now he defames me in the worst way in public. I could still accept that, if he would give me the opportunity to comment on this in his journal. Since he has not done so to this day, it is now regrettable that his followers will also be able to take his new accusations without criticism.

 

If you would like to contact Kalliope Meier, you can do so at: Kalliope Meier Post Office CH – 8488 Turbenthal

Luc Bürgin was born in 1970 in Basel, Switzerland. He works as an editor for a Swiss weekly newspaper and is the author of the UFO books Götterspuren und Mondblitze. His most recent work, Irrtümer der Wissenschaft, has just come out.

The Corpus delicti

Simpler barrel lid

“For some of his UFO models Billy used the tops of standard plastic drums.” Inspired by Kalliope Meier’s statements, Basel Roger Eglin went on the search for the “Corpus delicti” with success, as the picture shows. Together with Eglin, the author of this article, Luc Bürgin, took a close look at it. In fact, the shape of this form coincides with the lower part of Billy Meier’s famous “Tortenschiff” [BMUFOR note: Wedding cake beamship].

Luc Bürgin

Source: UFO-Kurier, Nr. 30, April 1997 (German)

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