Billy Meier vs other Contactees

[Annubitch]

Jesus Saul you haven’t even received a retainer yet.

[Ed V.]

Lucy McGinnis, well over a decade since Adamski passed away, had this to say during an interview in 1979;
“Here came this great big ship that looked like a dirigible. And George said, quick, get me up there. I want to go
and set up the telescope. So I drove him and Al Bailey up to where he said we should go. I kept looking out of the car and that
ship turned and just followed us. And he said, here stop! So I stopped, and he got out, and that dirigible stopped – quite a ways away. I couldn’t very well judge how far away it was. And he set up the telescope. And after he got everything set up, he said, Now you go back.”
“My attention was attracted by a flash in the sky and almost instantly a beautifull small craft appeared to be drifting through a
saddle between two of the mountain peaks and settling silently into one of the coves about half a mile from me. It did not lower itself entirely below the crest, while the upper, or dome section, remained above the crest and in full sight of the rest of my party who were back there watching. Yet it was in such a position that I could see the entire ship”
“You couldn’t see very much detail that far away, they were far away enough to look like fenceposts. But they stood talking to each other, and we saw them turn and go back to the ship. Now I didn’t see (Orthon) get into the ship. And when it left, it was just like a bubble or kind of like bright light that lifted up. Then George went out on the highway and he motioned for us to come out. He told us that he got too close and his arm had caught in the radiation from the craft. And he suffered from that quite for a while. . . You could see where the two of them had walked on the ground. There’s no question about that at all.”

Alan Tollman, a retired aerospace engineer, claims to have witnessed events on the Palomar Gardens property. Here’s his affidavit in his own words;
” In 1956, I was visiting George Adamski. One night, he let me use his telescope and while looking through the scope, I saw a bluish streak that filled the field of view. I quickly looked up but saw nothing. Suddenly, I saw a blue white glow, elliptical in shape just beyond the grove of trees. George was talking to friends in his house. I walked toward the craft and as I got closer, could hear the soft, pleasing “humming” sound. At about 100 yards from the craft, I heard people from the restaurant down hill from George’s house yelling loudly, ” there is a UFO on the ground.” From the restaurant, the people had an unobstructed view of the craft. Suddenly, a man from the restaurant almost knocked me down, saying ” there is a UFO out there” and then disappeared. The craft increased in brightness, going from blue white to intense white that seemed to shimmer. The hum sound increased in frequency, until I could not hear it anymore. The craft shot straight up making no noise, into the stars, until it looked just like a star. It then shot off horizontally to the horizon. I went in to George’s house and told him what had happened. He said he heard all the ruckus outside, and then just look at me and smiled.”

[Annubitch]

Look Ed V, if you don’t want to publish what you were allegedly told I’m not interested in reading more tales of lights in the sky by deceased people in which we have no way of verifying mmmkay? Are you selling a book of your experience or what?

[Pedro Bourbon]

The alien anal probe has become such a cliché that it now stands as synecdoche for the entirety of Ed.V’s alien abduction experience. Why it is that aliens want to probe our friend Ed.V’s butt; or, more specifically, when exactly did people start claiming that aliens gave him anal probes? This may seem to be a silly question, but silly questions often end up revealing hidden layers and secrets. In this case, asking the uncomfortable question of why aliens are so interested in Ed’s anal orifices reveals a fascinating story about the dark side of the alien abduction media industry and its effects on those who participate in it. There must be something more to the story.

In A UFO Hunter’s Guide (2012), Brad Lueder simply denies that there were any anal probes, dismissing the formulation as “misinterpreted and misunderstood” sexual experiments on board alien craft. He’s wrong, of course, but it shows that some ufologists want to distance themselves from what Lueder calls the “sneers and jokes” of “modern popular culture.” On the other hand, author Zen Benefiel self-published a book called Alien Agendas and Anal Probes (2014) that promised to investigate “the science behind the anal probes” and what these probes can tell us about why the aliens are really here. But his book isn’t a history so much as New Age-influenced fringe speculation, so it is of limited use in peeling back the layers of the abduction experience. In 1992, David M. Jacobs claimed in Secret Life that aliens conducted rectal examinations with an instrument shaped like a wire whisk. Also in 1992, UFO researcher Karla Turner defined anal probing as one of the key elements of an alien abduction: “genitalia and anal probes are performed, on children as well as adults.” She said “numerous” reports confirmed anal probing. So let’s go back still further to horror fiction writer Whitley Strieber’s Communion (1987), widely considered to be the most influential alien abduction account, even though Strieber did not specifically identify the creatures that abducted him as space aliens. He was almost certainly familiar with the Hill abduction material before he wrote his book, and in 1989 he even recorded the audiobook of The Interrupted Journey. Although he never uses the phrase “anal probing” in recounting what he supposedly “remembered” of his 1985 alien abduction while undergoing hypnotic regression, he does discuss the aliens violating him anally:

Soon I was in more intimate surroundings once again. There were clothes strewn about, and two of the stocky ones drew my legs apart. The next thing I knew I was being shown an enormous and extremely ugly object, gray and scaly, with a sort of network of wires on the end. It was at least a foot long, narrow, and triangular in structure. They inserted this thing into my rectum. It seemed to swarm into me as if it had a life of its own. Apparently its purpose was to take samples, possibly of fecal matter, but at the time I had the impression I was being raped, and for the first time I felt anger.

Before his death, the painter and ufologist Budd Hopkins—who consulted with Strieber before he wrote Communion—took the rape analogy still further and argued that the actual procedure is not, as Strieber suggested, to collect a stool sample but rather electroejaculation stimulation to collect a semen sample through prostate stimulation. Hopkins had become convinced that aliens had a reproductive agenda, not a scatological one.

Sen. Haskell wouldn’t take no for an answer and in 1979 gave the FBI jurisdiction over cattle mutilations by helping pass a law to do so. He also seems to have been involved in popularizing the aliens’ taste for cow rectum. In an August 29, 1975 letter to the FBI on official U.S. Senate letterhead, he wrote that as part of the “bizarre mutilations” that the “rectum and sex organs of each animal has (sic) been cut away.” Media accounts from the era also tended to focus on, as OUI magazine put it in 1976, “the anus … cow vulvas and bull dongs.” Decades later, the chupacabra (itself a myth created by a combination of a sci-fi movie with folklore) would take over many of the aspects of the cattle mutilation myth, leading Lynn Picknett to report in the Mammoth Book of UFOs (2001) that the chupacabra not only was witnessed entering passing UFOs (or could be an alien itself) but also was involved in anally probing its victims: “Sometimes the rectal area showed evidence of having been probed.”

Similarly, stories of anal probing don’t seem to become common before the invention of colonoscopies in June 1969. The procedure gradually expanded in use in the 1970s, though generally only after a colon cancer diagnosis, so it was still largely unfamiliar to most Americans of the era. It did not become a procedure widely used for the general public as a preventative measure until after—wait for it—January 1987, when Ronald Reagan famously underwent the procedure to remove polyps from his colon. Shortly after colonoscopies had their moment in the sun, aliens seem to have decided to make use of the same technology. It doesn’t seem like this gives enough time for Strieber to be influenced by it, given the long lead time on books, but it must have helped make it one of the key details from his book that subsequent abductees seized upon.

Ed?

[Annubitch]

Excellent assessment Pedro. I would also like to add that Milab sells the sex organs on the black market or eBay or maybe it was Amazon?

[Ed V.]

So, what have we established? George Adamski and Howard Menger had dozens of eyewitnesses who directly or indirectly supported their contactee stories and than we have Billy Meier the army deserting ex-con who escaped from the insane ward in prison and who thinks he’s reincarnated Jesus Christ, Mohammed and some sort of God named Nokodemion who literally created people in other parts of the Universe! Now, how much value should be attributed to (megalomaniac) Meier’s claim that George Adamski (and Howard Menger) used the power of suggestion (some sort of hypnosis) making all those eyewitness testimonies invalid? You Meier supporters give value to eyewitnesses who saw something in the Meier case, right? I have the answer for you: Meier is the liar, cheat and fraud here. He is a psychopath..

[Ed V.]

Pedro, do you think Billy Meier was anal probed by the Plejarans? It would explain why he’s such an uptight asshole!

[Annubitch]

Billy Meier is NOT a liar, cheat, fraud or psychopath and not an uptight asshole like yourself Ed V. Sightings of UFO are a dime a dozen. You claim to have had contact right? Where is the information you received from the contact? We want to know what the military industrial complex is telling all those they have anally probed. Was the information basically “this will only hurt for a second”?

[Ed V.]

Oh, did I hit a nerve Annubitch? Questioning your cult leader has the same result as an anal probe, hm?

[Annubitch]

Since I’ve never been anally probed I wouldn’t be able to make that comparison like you would Ed V. Nope no nerves hit. But I will defend Billy against your retarded attacks. But I see I hit a nerve with you how your military industrial complex has decided to use you as their guinea pig. Are you proud of that? What a great anal probing service you’ve done for your country. I salute you.

[Pedro Bourbon]

He is upright though annu you have to admit, Ed is onto something even if he has a perverted view of the world. He behaves like a teacher and he walks in the light of the spirit.

Ed you should learn to respect men and women like this, you would do better out of it in your world view. Why are you even on a Billy Meier forum? Is it because he has said something you don’t like? If he has said something you don’t like Ed and it’s hit a nerve with you, you should take care, very slow to think through whether it is true and that has been why. Because if he has offended you because its been true and you reject it and make that rejection something you like when it’s something you don’t like then you run the risk that you will pervert yourself. People should never force themselves into making themselves comfortable with something they don’t like, so you take the time to think about it or you may delude yourself, don’t throw caution to the wind if it’s hit a nerve because it’s true, type 1 research error.

[Ed V.]

And still you dumb Meier supporters can’t even grasp the point I’m making. What kind of proof does Meier offer when he claims other contactees used the power of suggestion (some sort of hypnosis apparently) that made eyewitnesses see things that weren’t there? Nothing! It’s strictly hearsay! If anyone is using the power of suggestion it’s Billy Meier the Megalomaniac (who thinks he was Jesus Christ and Mohammed in previous reincarnations) and lets not forget that he himself tried to B.S. people into seeing things that weren’t there;

Jakobsberg-Allenberg UFO Photos (April 20, 1975)

[Pedro Bourbon]

Is that what he said or is that your interpretation? I think you are defamatory for the sake of it.

I put it to you Ed that when you had the anal probe put in, I think you sucked off a horse isn’t it. I based this assessment on opinions that have been expressed previously, by myself and annu and not on what you have said.

[Ed V.]

Pedro, what is it with you Meier supporters? That’s a honest question. Meier not only claims he’s in contact with extraterrestrials. He also claims others are liars, cheaters and frauds while upon further examination he fitts the same assessment perfectly. Meier goes on a tantrum about convential religion but then comes up with a religion of his own where He is the prophet of all time without a shred of evidence. Why do you believe all this on the basis of basically photographs of flying saucers? That’s a sincere question!

[Annubitch]

No one else has hundreds of clear daytime UFO photos. No one else has clear UFO videos. No one else has the unreproducible UFO sound recordings. No one else has had UFO metal samples analyzed by IBM’s Marcel Vogel. No one else has the spiritual teaching. And no one is forced to believe anything.

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