Billy Meier vs other Contactees

[vaseline]

The Plejaren say it’s illegal for anyone to come to earth unless they are under special circumstances and if they do they would be in very serious trouble if they did not declare the visit. Anyone detected is visited by the Plejaren personally if the scan detects in their thoughts anything one might call untoward. They don’t monitor all planets, and why earth many sods say because they don’t know anything, because earth is one of the planets that they do, that’s why, it just is that way. There are races described in the contact reports which have visited or even stayed here or caused trouble.

They are isolated cases Ed, one time visits and one time occasions. The Plejaren and billy if you take the time to check even tell which race will be the first to reveal itself to us and publicly, and they are not Plejaren federation, and the Plejaren know about them. Billy Meier information is for the valueable people on earth, that is why they built stupid people info inside the info.

[vaseline]

I’m stupid myself I have to admit. I have no interest in the subject to be honest with you, Billy Meier and his story just made sense to me but I don’t care for the subject. Billy is not listed on any of the Wikipedia articles and I recommend mufon http://www.mufon.com/mission-and-goals.html to anyone who is not interested in Billy Meier. But I am not interested in Mufon personally, I think it is a stupid thing that is no interest, but I appreciate that the majority of people want that and I don’t. I am only a simple vaseline sales clerk.

[Ed V.]

Black rectangles? The documentary shows mostly bell-shaped UFOs.. Did you notice that in the first documentary Major Hans Petersen (of the Danish Air Force) saw a disc shaped UFO after Adamski landed in a normal plane in Denmark? Did you notice that Madeline Rodeffer testifies (in part 5) that she witnessed a craft up close in the presence of Adamski (who was filming)? Did you notice the 5 witnesses who saw a craft landing in the desert with Adamski talking to a blond man in the distance? These 5 people even signed an affidavit. This is just the tip of the ice berg. Multiple eyewitnesses that point to a genuine phenomenon and what does Billy Meier do? He tries to debunk it all claiming the most outrageous nonsense. Meier claims Adamski and Menger used some kind of hypnotic suggestion which made the eyewitnesses see things that weren’t there! This is how Meier tries to get rid off the competition and for this I hold him in the utmost contempt. This zero tolerance for other cases combined with ludicrous debunking attempts shows to me Meier is simply a megalomaniac. The ultimate irony here is that Meier tried to make his eyewitnesses see things that weren’t there…;

Jakobsberg-Allenberg UFO Photos (April 20, 1975)

[vaseline]

If Billy Meier has a better explanation than someone else then fair play to him, competition is welcomed. In fact if Billy Meier keeps having better explanations than others then I have to do something about that, I have to read Billy Meier instead of the other person and the someone else. I will continue to compare and contrast for a while but if this goes on much longer Ed I will simply stop accepting the testimony of any other and only accept the testimony of BILLI. This may initially seem counterintuitive but if time after time on every possible subject Billy has a better explanation than any other consistently then I will check and check again for a mistake by him and compare it against the testimony of others but finally I will retrieve the better of the explanations on offer.

[vaseline]

If that is the only beef you have Ed, that you feel he’s blasted all the competition out of the water then I cannot think of a good reason to read other inferior books, perhaps it may be good to review the coverage that UFO Billy has made in places where other UFO people have not in history and in space and cosmic laws, I expect that info from a contactee to be honest.

[Ed V.]

LoL. Better explanations? Meier is simply a con artist here. You have all these witnesses that point to the reality of the Adamski and Menger case and than you have Meier who tries to debunk them using unproven, unsubstantiated ludicrous explanations. Now Vaseline, this is something I would expect from a convicted felon who escaped from prison, joined the French Foreign Legion and subsequently deserting from it. Yes, Meier spend years in prison. Meier proposed to an underaged girl and eloped with her against family wishes. What a fine character he has…

Do you realize that most contactees have a job or business and work 5-6 days a week earning money for their families? Meier was already on disability checks in 1974 and soon after that he had his cult, excuse me, friends donate a portion of their income to him. Nice set up, hm? So he had all this time, not working yet being financially provided for, where he plagiarized book after book claiming he was/is the Original source. Does the notion con artist, fraud, megalomaniac ring a bell?

Let’s not forget Meier’s WCUFO which has the base of a Harcostar drum lid. Anyone can see it. Only Meier’s brainwashed cult members try to explain it away as some big object while the real life existing drum lid is staring them blank in the face. In other words Vaseline, Meier is the mothe-fraud-lode.

[vaseline]

Sorry Ed, I thought you had read the contact reports and not just read the crap websites and forums to form your opinions. Like reading a review of a movie instead of watching the movie, strange.

Download them all and seed the torrent http://www.piratepiratepirate.com/?load=/user/Ex-FIGU/

[vaseline]

There are too many gaping holes in your story Ed, you insult too many smart people or are you claiming to be the smartest? if you are we’re all stupid then. A guy on disability benefit buys a million franc farm and donates it to a non-profit organisation? What is stranger, your story or the actual story, both are strange, but why is your story not the same as his story? Download the contact reports and stop with this shit until you’ve got some position to take where a judgement is full. Ask yourself why thousands of smart individuals have a different opinion than you and why the contact reports if you actually download and read them explain all these heresy rumour discrepancies.

I am not taking controversy away from you Ed, but atleast go far enough with an accusation, because lying is not going on, Billy’s been honest, if you read it. You’re just making Michael Horn angry, its people like you that make Michael Horn angry.

[Ed V.]

I read the contact reports. Why should I believe every word? Now here are some facts!

http://www.billymeierufocase.com/billymeiertimeline.html

http://www.billymeierufocase.com/index-6.html

[vaseline]

I did not know that Ed thank you. I didn’t know that he was a farmer, I thought he was a writer who lives in a former farm building. I thought he was an urban explorer, I didn’t realise he was an archeologist. I thought he had his arm removed from a farming accident, I didn’t realise it was from a backpacker bus accident. I thought he was a backpacker, I did not know he didn’t have a backpacker visa and was expelled from India for it, I didn’t even know India had visas for that amount of time, he musts have been there a while, I did not know he was there for years. I didn’t know he went to prison, was it an open-prison, youth prison or maximum security do you know? There’s quite a big difference. I knew he joined the French foreign legion but I didn’t know it was the military, I didn’t know he was in the army.

Thanks.

[vaseline]

I am sorry Ed. There is too much evidence that he is telling the truth. I see the narrow band of argument individuals like yourself are making, glad you have, always appreciate the imput and usually it weighs the thing up well. But with Billy Meier there is simply too much evidence. As I say, I take what you say, his wife, his some and a bunch of others saying its a hoax and plenty of evidence to suggest he’s a hoaxer. In Billy Meiers case its unfortunately not enough, there is too much other evidence to prove he’s as he says he is. Its a very strange situation I will agree with you but its the situation that it is, they are secretive and don’t want to be found out, sorry my man, if someone would finally put a presentation together that brings everything together instead of just tripping over their lip at the first hoaxy piece of evidence then they would see its real and would then appreciate why thousands of people who are sane, not former criminals as you say, too good for him perhaps as you say, but have stood by him. But if you just grab the first little dime of hoaxy business and smear it all over yourself then wtf would you and no one has ever put everything together have they, they have cherry picked and what do German speakers have to say about it? they are the ones who are at liberty to read the entire thing and weigh it up better than English speakers who have just had a bunch of compiracy radio chats.

[vaseline]

I appreciate what you’ve said, now look at some of the angles that have never been looked at before. We/you/both us know the story, we know the information, now step back, look at another angle, take yourself out of the zone and reaproach it, ask yourself what if it is as this guy vaseline is saying, that its real and they wanted to make it look like crap. Consider than the Plejaren may have technology that looks a bit dated, put science-fiction aside, as you say, lets look at all the things dispationately. And why so many witnesses? and what exactly is the position of the witnesses, usually they never speak about it, even to one another they mumble, not exactly award winning performance, take a look at that too, are these just regular people, shy, normal, or are they accomplices, actors, stage hands, weigh it up better.

[vaseline]

I would have been a sceptic myself Ed my man, but its not like other situations where it all sits in favour of the sceptic, in Billy’s case it looks like the sceptic has made shit up and wishfully said things to defame him. That to me does not sit right, it doesnt hold water, the guy is either telling the truth or not, we don’t need to trump up and inflate the accusations wishfully to make the sceptic case look better? that never needs to happen, if that happens then it only ever makes it look more genuine, everyone knows that.

[vaseline]

If he went to prison fine or some asylum or some care home or was on benefits or paid a tax bill or filled an official form in or farted heavily in custody, plenty of people have, its a multi-billion dollar industry and its the only open equal opportunities opportunity to everyone going to prison so I know for a fact that plenty of people have gone with an opportunity that wide open, they go out and arrest to recruit new members so I know plenty of people have been, what does that matter to the story, he could have kept it quiet, clearly he feels bad about it so has tried to. This has nothing to do with the story of UFO’s and the information he’s talked about over 10 500 page books.

You have read the contact reports have you… oh you have? I have no problem with it Ed, but anytime that you lock yourself in my boy and that is evidence that you want him to fail rather than he has failed if you see.

[Ed V.]

So, what have we established? Like I stated Billy was in jail, deserted from the French Army. That doesn’t speak well for his character. After he went public in 1974 he also set up a legal organization where people who joined had to pay a portion of their income. It’s easy to see who ultimately benefitted from this arrangement. As you correctly detected Meier was also expelled from India, for vagrancy. Basically he was a freeloading bum and after FIGU started he could continue with his favorite lifestyle. And what is the first thing he does in the contact reports? He introduces his own religion and starts attacking other contactees! For the objective researcher it shows that Meier probably had a bad childhood and turbulent life which resulted in his ego’s need to feel special.

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