Billy Meier vs other Contactees

[Ed V.]

So we have to get rid off religion and then replace it with Meier’s religion?

[Owen Truthmarrion]

Where did you get an idea like that Ed? weird, not at all. We have to replace theism with atheism, religion with relegeon, myth with science, fiction with non-fiction, belief with substantiation and facts, uncritical analysis with critical analysis, fettered with unfettered, enslavement with freedom, unknowing with knowing, traditions with candour, mysteries with speculative non-fiction, delusion with boring, excitement with mediocre, noise with quiet, submissiveness with thinking, fear and timorousness with bravery and thick-skin doing, Carelessness with appreciation, Presumtuousness with checking, unfounded assumptions with founded assumptions, selfishness with selflessness, indolence with activity, obstinacy with flexibility.

It’s no conspiracy, it’s normal, stop trying to make it what it has never been, it’s wishful.

[Ed V.]

Ah, so we have to replace religion with relegeon which is basically the same belief system except now Meier is a God along with his Plejaren friends that nobody else meets and above all else is Creation that has to be worshipped? How is that different to any other religion? Do you even remotely fathom what the core essence of religion or spirituality encompasses?

[Owen Truthmarrion]

Relegeon means the rejoining to rightness i.e atheism. No I don’t know about that because I am an atheist, I do not have a mental health condition.

My concern now is that your a bullshitter because you told that other guy you had read the contact reports which you obviously havn’t based on the crap you just made up.

[Ed V.]

Hmmm. I didn’t read the contact reports? Actually I read all of them available on the futureofmankind website and you didn’t seem to notice I referenced contact reports on the first page of this topic. How odd that you would have reached such a blatant wrong conclusion. Are you sure I didn’t hit a nerve with questioning the semantics between religion and relegeon?

Let me spell it out for you. The Meier case is a mindtrap for the ufo believer. The first contact report immediately shows its intent. It introduces Meier’s religious concept of “Creation” and it immediately attacks the message off other contactees (hence this topic). That zero tolerance for other material in ufology alone should show the authoritarian aspects of the Meier case. Yet its authoritarian religious aspects should be quite obvious as well;

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_117
Meier proclaims a reincarnation heritage off religious figures including Mohammed and Jmmanuel (a.k.a. Jesus Christ).

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_192
Billy Meier is the “wisest of the wise” – Nokodemion. (We should all worship him!)

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_228
More religious unsubstantiated narrative. The great spirit Nokodemion created people! (He is God!)

Yes, I made notes when I read the contact reports. And yes I stand by my conclusion that Meier is a megalomaniac trying to create a new religion. His contact reports should make that obvious to the objective reader. If you’re already hooked on his unsubstantiated religious drivel you probably wont see it… The ego of men can justify just about everything.

[Owen Truthmarrion]

I see your point that you seem to know your way around.

May I ask about your beliefs Ed… please, would that be ok, it may help prove your theory about the information.

Are you?…
Atheist – Yes/No
Futurist – Yes/No
Problem solving – Yes/No
Independent – Yes/No
Analytical – Yes/No
Appreciate the time in which we live i.e not in spacestations and not in chariots – Yes/No
Appreciate how much time of life you have left ahead of you – Yes/No
Religiously affiliated – Yes/No
Irreligious – Yes/No
Into conspiracies w/decade+ reading – Yes/No
into controversies w/decade+ reading – Yes/No
Into scholarly research w/decade+ reading – Yes/No
Sexist – Yes/No
Theist – Yes/No
Dangerous – Yes/No
Under your own control – Yes/No
Managed expectations – Yes/No
Subversive – Yes/No
Anarchist – Yes/No
Racist – Yes/No
Afflicted – Yes/No
Listened to – Yes/No
Heard – Yes/No
Pet owner – Yes/No
Honest – Yes/No
Influencial – Yes/No
Reasonable – Yes/No
Good judge of character – Yes/No
Free thinking – Yes/No
Easily shocked or offended – Yes/No
Calm under pressure – Yes/No

[Bodie Penn]

That’s unfair that is Owen, you don’t have to answer that Ed! I thought what you said was good – you,re clearly thinking about what it could mean and its a riddle. TBH I prefer ‘book with seven seals’ easier to say.

[William Verhulst]

It is interesting, thank you for sharing. Does anyone know when any of those alien groups will introduce themselves or what they are waiting for?

[William Verhulst]

Owen what do you think of this news after all this time? /phys.org/2017-06-asteroid-apophis I explain the link in case you cat make it. It says that the apophis asteroid may change orbit unpredictably after the next pass.

I just want to know your opinion about what you think after all this time and Billy was the only one who ever published it so far back in time with so many details that he said that how must he have known back then. That is my feeling.

[Ed V.]

Owen, psycho analyze this;

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_238

“But now the question remains open, where did, for example, Nokodemion come from, who not only established and engendered new peoples, rather he also created new peoples, who he then equipped with an advanced knowledge. […] So, from where did he and his peoples come? ”

[Ed V.]

Owen, on second thought, I do have some personal information to share so you can psycho analyze!

I never went to prison, unlike Billy Meier who spend years of his life in prison!
I served in the military of my country, served my tour and was honorably discharged, unlike Billy Meier who deserted from the French Army.
I never proposed to an underaged girl, unlike Billy Meier.
I never was expelled from any country, unlike Billy Meier.
I never was married while conceiving a child with another woman, unlike Billy Meier.
I never claimed to know it all, unlike Billy Meier.

Analyze that!

[Owen Truthmarrion]

I agree I went too far there sorry Ed, cheers Bodie.

What is said in contact 238 is followed up a while later in contact 251 where he explains about a time long ago where the original people divided i.e boarded spaceships and went to other worlds ‘creating’ new lineages or descendants would be a better translation. A better translation of those passages of text would be a very slow gradual change of millions of people.

Billy Meier is much naughtier than that Ed, that’s tame by the standards of a typical monarchy 16th century king. He has done much worse things than all of that if you think about how he’s taken on all the worlds governments, military and all of their religions taken all peoples everywhere beliefs including your beliefs ed and told them exactly what he really thinks of it, everything they never wanted to hear and everything that would definitely piss them off because he knew exactly what they didn’t want to know.

Billy never claimed to know everything that’s not correct, I have to say that atleast, in fact he says the opposite he claims that no one knows everything, so scoops up all those that do like popes, kings, emperors and anyone whatever else.

[Owen Truthmarrion]

I don’t know about the details of some of those things you mention such as prison underage proposals, adultery etc because I’ve never looked into it to be honest.

However I have read enough absolute shit about him to know that the investigators who write that stuff are so extraordinarily stupid that Ofcourse some key narrative changing facts and ommisions of key data will be left out so no one can form a correct picture and help other people. He also says a fairly hefty amount about the Neanderthals too, and were it not all said so neutrally, nicely and never angrily or argumentatively, always respectfully, then I think he would have a very different audience than the one he has had, with respect to those than can understand that.

[Owen Truthmarrion]

He’s been angry and argumentative don’t take that out of context, but been very calm and respectful about certain facts.

What I meant above in the comment is that things would have panned out radically different had he highlighted some of the more controversial aspects of the boatload of info he’s given. The info that has got out has been at the education level of the individual’s picking it off, so of course you we’re going to pick out god-delusion prison adultery and whatever else that all amounts to once the spin and rhetoric has been taken off it.

I can assure you there is quite a lot more to learn.

[Bodie Penn]

It is ok, just chill out would you. You said something I agree with Owen

he’s taken on all the worlds governments, military and all of their religions taken all peoples everywhere beliefs including your beliefs and told them exactly what he really thinks of it, everything they never wanted to hear and everything that would definitely piss them off because he knew exactly what they didn’t want to know.

Billy is the biggest man I have ever known of come to think of it. I know all these big body builder blokes down at the gym, but they are so weak and pathetic come to think about it and what you said there, they wouldn’t be able to do anything like that, the first thing that would come out of their mouth would demonstrate how basic they were if it ever came to it and it won’t come to think of it because they know it. Billy is the man and I respect him a lot and I know I could never do anything like what he has done.

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