Billy Meier vs other Contactees

[Sharon A. Hill]

Sometimes we avoid the most obvious—and complicated—events that have happened to us, events that inform our whole life story. Let’s say your three-sentence exercise was Loving mom who worked all the time, no dad. Never really got over lonely childhood. Maybe you could try, “I was just a kid but…” or “I tried my best but…” Was there something else that happened that prevented you from getting over your lonely childhood? Did it happen when you were a child—or later? Did it involve parents? You don’t have to know the answers to these questions. Let the pre-written prompts guide you. “Don’t think and write,” “Just write.” There’s no need to do the actual examination and investigation now. Instead, just focus on identifying what it is you might delve into someday—in a memoir or in the pages of a journal or just in your mind. What truth is important for you to get at? You have a structure (your three sentences), you have a crucial event (that may have caused or contributed to that life story) and now you have a purpose—a reason for writing that will let you learn, enjoy and even be surprised by the story you’ve been waiting to tell yourself and—maybe, just maybe, the world, as well.

[Ed V.]

That’s quite an assumption Taro. More likely is that Meier copied the elements of contactee cases before him. He was part of a UFO study group before he went public and he actually visited George Adamski’s lecture and met him in person. What’s clear is that Meier had a big interest in UFOs and contact stories way before 1974 when he went public with his own story. And being the scumbag psychopath that he is he immediately started attacking others..

[Taro]

That’s quite an assumption Taro.

It’s not an assumption. I’ve stated a possibility based on known facts:

A) Meier has unduplicatable UFO evidence.
B) Meier has scientifically tested UFO evidence and witnesses.
C) Meier has one arm and no known accomplices.

By referring to Meier as a, “scumbag psychopath” YOU are the only one making assumptions.

More likely is that Meier copied the elements of contactee cases before him.

It is LESS likely since

A) Meier has unduplicatable UFO evidence.
B) Meier has scientifically tested UFO evidence and witnesses.
C) Meier has one arm and no known accomplices.

He was part of a UFO study group before he went public and he actually visited George Adamski’s lecture and met him in person. What’s clear is that Meier had a big interest in UFOs and contact stories way before 1974 when he went public with his own story. And being the scumbag psychopath that he is he immediately started attacking others..

All of this can be explained by plausible deniability, including the previously mentioned facts.

[Tony]

Taro which parts of the case do you think the Plejaran may have actually hoaxed. Do you think they were involved In all aspects of the interference in the materials or just some? The plausible deniability theory makes sense to me if we take the evidence being presented in a way that can be taken as either one way or the other with only a casual glance but I don’t ascribe to the theory that for example the Plejaran created small model ufos for billy to photograph.are you actually talking about the process of implementing plausible deniability or creating an actual verifiable hoax for reasons we don’t understand?

[Taro]

No, I don’t think they created an

actual verifiable hoax

although at the moment I do not rule out the use of small drones. I believe most if not all of the UFO evidence they’ve allowed was designed to have a hoaxy gloss on the surface but a deep look reveals the alien reality. It’s a puzzle for us to solve if we choose to. The fact that new things are still being discovered about the UFO stuff(Rhal Zahi’s work, for example) decades after it was first released demonstrates the depth to which these puzzles go to and the lengths to which they’ve gone to for the sake of plausible deniability. I believe there’s more yet to be discovered. But back to your first question, again all of the UFO stuff was, in my opinion, meant to be verifiably genuine. All the disappearing originals(photo, movie, metal-crystal) was part of the plan to ensure the controversy would last. Maybe they will mysteriously reappear someday, maybe not. But what’s left still has value for study.

As for the CR’s there’s a few things I personally suspect to be false:

The first one that got my attention was that Jitchi(sp?) character from Meier’s travels with Asket. He seems to be a little out of place. The fact that Asket would accept a complete stranger who, regardless of her telepathic and other advanced skills, could pose a risk to safety on a time-travel mission. Meier bopping him in the nose, Asket letting him loose on a trip into the past, the whole thing stinks of a fictional character.

Their explanation for the Hill’s case. First they said it was genuine then they said they were wrong, it had to do with Earth’s magnetism or something. There’s no doubt the Hills are genuine and they at least believe in the story they’ve given as well as supporting testimony from external sources regarding their honesty and character. The fact that their versions line up as well as the star chart Betty described are the main things that have me convinced ETs were involved. So, I think this was part of the Plejaren plan to call all other contactees but Meier false. I believe they’re doing this to give hoax theorists another logically flawed reason to justify their position in their own minds.

San Fran earth quake photo explanation. According to Quetzal, the Baavi mistakenly transmitted the image at least a year too early but I think this was entirely deliberate. So far, the only real indication that the GEO mag painting and Meier’s original earthquake pics don’t match is Wendelle Stevens’ detailed explanation of Meier’s originals.

The term, “beamship”. I think this was deliberate to make “Billy” Eduard Albert Meier(BEAM) look like an egotistical sci-fi writer or something along those lines.

That’s all I can think of, off hand.

[Ed V.]

Yes you did make an enormous assumption, here it is;
“Taro: Maybe the Plejaren and other races involved modeled their fake UFO hoax after real UFO hoaxes from the past…

[Ed V.]

And the Meier case being “unduplicatable” only exist in YOUR MIND!

1. The WCUFO was duplicated.
2. The Beamship on a string was duplicated.
3. The Energy ship was duplicated.

Don’t forget the double exposures and the STREET LAMP. Oh, but you and the other brainwashed UFO cult fanatics nitpick the tiniest details until you can continue believing in a fraud. It’s pathetic and embarassing. Meier faked much of his stuff. He’s also a copycat. His Talmud Jmmanuel is simply a copy of the Bible where he made alterations to his liking, those that champion his case. He’s a psychopath and a megalomaniac who has to feel superior by rewriting and trashing others until he’s the only authority from here to the end of the Galaxy.
What did he actually accomplish? The only thing that’s there is simply the attempt of creating a new religion which Michael Horn and you seem to support when you state that ultimately the Meier case is about the spiritual teachings – meaning the unproven, unscientific religious mumbo-jumbo. You’re simply in the Meier matrix, unable to think outside it.

[Debra Litany]

Ed V. Those were not duplications if that is your standards to duplicate and it’s all done, then you are here purely to try to understand what you may have missed then clearly. You have to look at the higher standards of proof.

The higher standards of proof is that every single possible advocate of Meier has been personally contacted by extraterrestrials and sent reassuring impulsations. Many have never met, never will communicate and live thousands of miles away from one another, yet for some reason these 20,000 persons have overlooked the obviously stupidly fake photos and seen something else which has not been obvious.

Now ask yourself Ed V and whoever else is here, what have those persons seen which is so compelling that there could possibly be 20,000 of them and all over the world, many don’t even speak the same language and never will, in what you call a cult which is silent and therefore not really a cult in the traditional sense because there appears to be no particular motive or any union or even communication between them. Tell me what you see in that arrangement which seems at odds with your position and conclusions on the matter, and also it is not my job or Taro’s job to convince you of anything, if you want to ask a simple question “then why?” are you still interested then you may see more of the picture than you have up to now. It is wrong to bully. So if you would like to take the time to look at more than you have up until now then you are welcome to do so. Mahesh got a big shock when he began looking at more than he had before and that is why he went silent about it because he realised he was whining like a little bitch about nothing and behaving like a silly boy, but he looked at more of the wider picture and then began actually reading what they were talking about in the contact reports and then finally he realised there was more to it all. Mahesh has still not published all those pieces of information which support it being real because they are all over it, and he realised it would be copying the FIGU website and that would be stupid so that is why he has kept his mouth shut.

[Taro]

Yes you did make an enormous assumption, here it is;
“Taro: Maybe the Plejaren and other races involved…”

Ed, do you understand the meaning of the word, “maybe”? Here it is:

adverb
perhaps; possibly.

I’ve stated a possibility. I am not assuming it is a possibility, it IS a possibility. If you can prove that it is impossible, then my statement would be incorrect. Since, it is essentially unprovable(at this point, anyway), it remains a possibility. Do you understand, now?

Oh, but you and the other brainwashed UFO cult fanatics nitpick the tiniest details until you can continue believing in a fraud.

You call it “nitpicking” I call it ACCURACY. Also, the way you defend your alleged alien friends is much more cultish than objectively discussing the finer details of UFO analysis.

1. The WCUFO was duplicated.

To what standards? For someone who’s LOOKING for a reason to dismiss the Meier case or for someone who’s looking for accuracy? Why can’t Langdon match Meier’s pristine surface? Langdon has two arms. Why does the Harcostar not exactly match the actual WCUFO base? Where are all the coloured “gems”? Where’s the pattern on the cupola? There’s more but let’s start with these.

2. The Beamship on a string was duplicated.

No, it wasn’t. There are a number of maneuvers seen in Meier’s films that are PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to duplicate with a simple model on a string. You are incapable of seeing them because you are so deluded by your own fantasies of meeting aliens that you refuse to acknowledge them:

A 90º change in lateral pendulum direction in less than one turn without a single wobble is impossible. A gradually INCREASING conical pendulum without any visible hand pulls is impossible. A smooth acceleration followed by a smooth deceleration with no visible hand pulls nor wobbles is impossible. A model disc retaining its perfectly horizontal orientation while tracking across the ground(similar to a spinning top), is impossible with a swinging model.

3. The Energy ship was duplicated.

How does the ex-FIGU attempts’ halo compare to Meier’s, particularly, #720? Impossible to compare with the small and poor quality versions offered by the ex-Figuans. Why won’t they release full resolution versions? What are they afraid to reveal? Same goes for Langdon.

His Talmud Jmmanuel is simply a copy of the Bible where he made alterations to his liking

How can you be sure it isn’t the other way around? That Meier wrote the TJ in a previous life and IT was copied and altered. How can you be sure your version is correct?

The only thing that’s there is simply the attempt of creating a new religion which Michael Horn and you seem to support when you state that ultimately the Meier case is about the spiritual teachings

Check your brain, Ed. Once again you see only what you want to see. I’ve never supported ANY religion nor cult. I’ve stated that his spiritual teachings are what HE is about because that is what he claims. I’ve only restated known facts. The UFO case itself is about many things, and in MY opinion, if you ask me(which you never did), it’s about what I call a puzzle for us Earthlings to solve.

You’re simply in the Meier matrix, unable to think outside it.

It’s funny how you try to project your own obsession with your fantasy world onto me. I’ve made it a point to be as objective about my approach to this UFO case as possible. I’ve ensured that I understand the sciences that went into all the many analyses. Have you?

[Simon Lehman]

This has gotten completely out of hand Ed & Taro, you’ve completely let it go now! Need to calm it and cool it down now

[Taro]

What exactly do you mean by, “completely out of hand”, Simon? The hard, logical questions and observations regarding true UFO analysis? “God” forbid there’s any of that here at BMUFOR.

[Simon Lehman]

Your going to die of old age very soon in a few decades, do and get what you need at speed and don’t worry so much about proper analysis’s and proper logical hard questions been answered properly. Rush it and die.

[Taro]

Unclear. Are you telling me I should give up on proper, logical analyses? That’s absurd.

[Simon Lehman]

Not at all, give life all you’ve got until the end.

But if you think what you are doing is proper logical analyses, man how you have failed to appreciate what Billy has explained, you’ve on a basic level disrespected Billy actually for all he has explained.

The Plejaren set the standards for proper logical analyses Taro, what you’ve done is well a childish project to be fair. But that is just the proportions of the reality of it, I say give life and your pursuits all you’ve got and put some good work into the inventions.

Are you are, on another subject, that the inventors of the atomic bomb were being influenced by the Plejaren? And that they were influencing the Nazi UFO inventors? This is what I mean, you think that these achievements of humanity are purely from humanity and the achievements of man at the age of 50 years old.

[Ed V.]

So, where were we? Ah yes.

Former US Navy pilot Commander Graham Bethune along with his wife and child witness a mothership and smaller crafts just like Adamski described. Meier’s explanation; eyewitnesses were under the influence of the power of suggestion!

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