Introduction

[Tony]

Simon You obviously have no interest actually reading posts properly and considering them before answering. Typical of people who are so closed minded that they can’t think past their own convictions.

[Taro]

In this case a conclusion that the objects are definitely large, which would most likely mean Meier’s claim of what they are is correct.

Genesis III did conclude one of Meier’s “beamships” was 21-ft wide, if I’m not mistaken.

With regard to the pictures, as far as I know they never had any originals to examine.

From Stevens’ Preliminary Investigation Report:

“The standard 35mm internegatives used in commercial copy printing of the positive 35mm transparencies produced good pictures all right, but we were searching for some revealing method to get to the real truths behind these diapositives. We took them to a custom photo laboratory and had custom enlarged internegatives made on 4″ x 5″ film plates, and then from those we printed 20″ x 30″ enlargements. All we had accomplished that was different was to carry the depth of image in the original transparency into a larger format negative capable of recording the magnified depth of image more efficiently than paper. Then when we printed back into larger format on paper we carried more of the original depth of image forward to the paper print, and we got spectacular results.”

Does NOT having originals necessarily invalidate any analysis on what is available? Has a photogrammetric expert ever questioned Genesis III’s approach?

So I think that conclusion is not very useful. But honestly, the pictures have never been my greatest interest in the meier case, so I’m not an expert on this issue.

There doesn’t appear to be any experts on this issue at BMUFOR.

But the point is there are no originals, no researcher ever got the originals, so you can’t make a valuable comparison.

Not true at all. Comparing a hi-res, digital copy of Meier’s WCUFO(#808) with Landon’s does in fact have value even if Langdon makes no effort to duplicate the photographic environment, i.e., proper dimensions of the structures surrounding the WCUFO, proper lighting, etc. If both images are the same size and resolution, i.e., the exact same quality, the flaws in each can then be quantified. You can count them. If Langdon’s has more flaws than Meier’s the duplication falls short of success, particularly considering Meier’s disability. We can also properly evaluate all the individual parts Langdon used and how much they do or don’t resemble the parts seen in Meier’s. This is why you, Mahesh and Langdon are reluctant to release them.

It’s just a damn name, get over it, but yeah, you need something catchy. What’s wrong with that?

It’s misleading and deceptive. You justify dishonesty if it serves your agenda. If you’re only “archiving” UFO evidence, then why does it “need” to be catchy?

Yeah, sure.

So, it’s POSSIBLE that the Meier case is a staged UFO hoax orchestrated by aliens, correct?

But from a terrestrial researcher’s perspective the evidence would point to a hoax, so he would conclude it most likely is a hoax.

Not all terrestrial researchers are the same. Some use a higher standard of analysis: Science. Science concludes most likely NOT a hoax.

Sure you can come up with some alternative theory that aliens have staged a hoax, but if we never get to see the real thing, how are you ever going to prove it?

First of all, this “alternative” theory, if you actually understand the UFO evidence and analyses, makes the most sense. And who said anything about proving? Proof outside of mathematics is subjective. All it means in a UFO case is what convinces one person to the next. If you don’t understand the science, you will have a very different perspective on the case than someone who does.

If aliens stages a fake ufo hoax, what value does it have for us anyway? A bunch of aliens telling us BS? As far as I’m concerned, they can fuck off.

Sounds like you haven’t read Deardorff’s theory on plausible deniability.

http://www.tjresearch.info/denial.htm

The value is in protecting our developing society from the shock of the alien reality.

But the point of Meier’s story seems to be they have some valuable teachings to bring us. So why would they do anything else than to do their best to gain our trust and come of as reliable as possible? Why give prophecies that have the same mistakes as the newspapers and are only published after fulfillment?

Why do you believe you can understand how aliens thousands of years advanced would think? If they have knowledge that you don’t, don’t you think that might change their approach from yours?

Why send us impulses with pictures that are identical to frames from old space pictures, and give some horseshit explanation that isn’t even compatible with the facts?

Not compatible with which facts?

Why rip off ‘spiritual teachings’ from other writers?

If Meier was here in previous lives thousands of years ago then maybe HIS work was ripped off first.

I don’t see why I should go to such great lengths and still try to uphold this billy meier story in the face of so much BS.

And yet all of what you refer to as BS can simply be explained by plausible deniability. So, where does this leave you as a “researcher”?

If there’s something ‘real’ about it after all, it’s still covered in shit.

If someone handed you a large diamond covered in shit, would you refuse? Think about it.

[Tony]

“If someone handed you a large diamond covered in shit, would you refuse? Think about it.”

Lol. What a good metaphor. An idiot would throw it away, others would see through it and clean it up.

[Taro]

Objectivity is the handy wipe : )

• This reply was modified 6 years, 4 months ago by Taro.

[mahigitam]

Due to unforeseen circumstances, the website was down for more than a week and came back just a few days back. Fortunately, we have all the data backed up except the forum’ posts, as a result of which the last 5 months of forum-user’ posts were irretrievably lost. We are extremely sorry for this and have taken measures not to repeat this again. We have yet to fix all the issues with the downing of the website. For now, if you have any questions, please contact us at mahigitam@gmail.com.

[Ed V.]

What happened to the forum? (Bit of an off topic question but I see months of comments have disappeared.)

[mahigitam]

The automatic backup plugin hasn’t been working properly since few months and we were too late to realize that. As a result, all posts on the forum since then have been lost. However all the comments made under the site’ articles remain.

[nigel faraday]

Lol Tony said

If someone handed you

Danke for the website mahigitam. Do you know if Billy Meier is still going or? I have not heared him on coast to coast for years now.

Keep up the work

Niyj

[mahigitam]

Hello Nigel, Meier never was on C2C AM. It is Michael Horn who has been representing Meier for years. Thank you.

[nigel faraday]

Wait what! So that was Michael Horn speaking not Billy Meier? I am confused, who then is Billy Meier?

[Annubitch]

No such thing as a stupid question, only stupid catfish. Isn’t that right Nigel?

[nigel faraday]

There’s not enough room to swing a cat with you in here Ann, back off woman. And cheer up for heaven’s sake, your cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey.

[Annubitch]

You would know all about cold Nigel since you’re a catfish.

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