Is it POSSIBLE for aliens to have staged a fake UFO hoax?

[Taro]

Ed,

Not every Meier supporter thinks the same.
It’s possible that Meier IS the “single authority on ET contact”.
It’s possible that he isn’t but makes this claim to add to the deliberate controversy.

[Taro]

Also, here is a quote from Methusalem Meier which appears to contradict your “megalomaniac” theory:

“…by doing so he could avoid some people fawning over him since they looked on him as the great master, a guru or something special. However, he finds such idolization repugnant and extremely unwelcome.”

[William Verhulst]

“Meier’s current spiritual teachings were apparently the same from his earliest incarnation on Earth. His teachings were distorted by others.”

That’s not exactly what happened, Taro. Each incarnation was in a different area of the world which was interpreted differently by each culture in the local region. It is not normal to jump around a world with incarnations and had to be specially conditioned to incarnate.

“this was all a choice he made in an earlier lifetime and also makes each life he is presented with, “the mission”.”

According to the Plejaren, Billy turned away the opportunity to go and live and die on their world(s) (any of them). He also called us “his people” yet in another area of text it’s explained that his original home world Sadr which his spirit form was born, naturally died a thousand million years ago ie swallowed by its local star, and all the people that he was spirit-form born with alongside there have all except him gone onto the Arahat athersata and petale ie are no longer visible and striving with a human body and civilization. So “his people” seem to change on the millionth year. He appears to be used by the Plejaren as a deployable tool.

[Taro]

William,

“Each incarnation was in a different area of the world which was interpreted differently by each culture in the local region. It is not normal to jump around a world with incarnations and had to be specially conditioned to incarnate.”

This may be true but it would not change his teachings.

“He appears to be used by the Plejaren as a deployable tool.”

If he is used as a “deployable tool” then he has made the choice to allow it.

[Ed V.]

Taro, claiming you’re Jesus Christ and Mohammed reincarnated is a crystal clear sign of megalomania…

[Taro]

I was hoping this thread would remain purely factual but I can see this expectation was a little too high. Meier has never claimed to be “Jesus Christ”. Also, how does claiming to be a reincarnated prophet make one a “megalomaniac” if it’s true? How have you ruled out this possibility? Is it even possible to do so? I asked you this question in my sphere reflections thread. You appear to be avoiding it:

If you accept Methusalem’s word at face value, then why do you dismiss his position that Meier’s contacts are real?

Similarly, why do you dismiss Methusalem’s word contradicting your megalomania theory?

Ed, you appear to pick and choose evidence which suits your pre-selected conclusion. This is not an objective approach to a UFO investigation, whether professional or personal. Therefore, my next question to you is:

Why do you NEED to believe the Meier case is a hoax?

[William Verhulst]

He didn’t and never claimed that though and you know it and keep saying it, but because you know that by framing it that way it’s seen by the new and junior reader candidates at its entertaining face value as making sense in their small developing little minds and it is wrong to develop readers that way, I put it to you that your a Scientologist Ed V.

What he did however say was there was no such candidates who have ever existed in history which fit the bill of this Jesus Christ and Mohammed characters. They are too exciting and too much has been made of them to exist as any more than trumped inflated up fantasy characters.

What he claims is tantamount to being of the same spirit form as those ascribed to being those individuals. Ed you need perhaps to consider getting off the lesser value acknowledges. If you want a real controversy then perhaps consider talk about how he has tantamount called our entire history abnormally small and carefully prepared by extraterrestrials rather than tantamount Jesus Christ and Mohammed because who cares about Jesus Christ and Mohammed in the face of that much larger controversy? At least with the bigger controversy the scientists at least get a look into Meier acknowledgements, with this silly Jesus Mohammed controversy only the religious select few scholars are invited. Be fair to readers who are interested in Billy Meier UFOs

[William Verhulst]

He has never endorsed large donations of resources to the various church(s), in fact he has secretly written about how most of the Pope’s didn’t even believe it, how many of the church celebrities were frauds and con persons such as mother Teresa and that Mohammed lied about contacting extraterrestrials to boost his fame and tried to change what had been made into Catholicism which created a new religion with very bad values towards women and towards truths.

[Ed V.]

Yes Taro, I know the B.S. semantics the Meier cult likes to play. According to Meier’s fairytales there’s only Jmmanuel and not Jesus Christ so when I say he claims to be Jesus Christ reincarnated every cult member has been trained to say “that is false”. I was testing you to see if you can think outside the Cult’s narrative. Clearly you don’t. The problem with you Taro is that you’re can not fathom there’s anything wrong with the Meier story. Taro, when there’s a Harcostar drum lid on Meier’s alleged alien WCUFO the most likely explanation is that it is a Harcostar drum lid and that Meier hoaxed it. Meier spending years in prison shows his character. Meier beating his wife shows his character. Meier beating his child shows his character. Meier coming up with ridiculous B.S. excuses when clear signs of fraud are detected shows his character. The real question is why is your mind so weak that you can’t see it!?

[Readabeard]

When will Meier finally be exposed by the actual story he has told, the breakthrough conspiracies he has raised, rather than all the rubbish about a fake dustbin lid or no police report, his confused son or the stupid testimony from his vacant wife, or the idiots that have lingered around him etc. When will someone finally look at the real beefy meat feast which has caused 100k people all over the world to disregard all the stuff about fake this rubbish fake that hogwash.

Maybe it is really a fake aspect, plenty of it too, ok we get it, that it’s fake AF and there has been plenty of weirdos and imbeciles lurking around farting but the man is more genius than all the best authors of the world combined for the actual story he has told, when when will a genuinely non religious sane sanitary individual come along and look at the actual story PLEASE! Before you die please, you don’t have long before you die according to the great story he has told, read it now confront it and please discredit it using science please, before the decade is up and you die.

[David Naudi]

You have many ideas readabeard and you are very talkative person and deep with thoughts.

This is not how the native human works, you are wrong person, they use the discreditation method where a lesser handle is carved from the debris to prepare the portrait that fits what they want to look at and the description they like and would rather like, rather than what is. Have you ever met an Earth detective readabeard? It is a well paid profession. It is rare that they ever solve a murder mystery in truth, the preferred method is to discredit the available sources and cave it until anything cracks, judge finds defendant guilty, public moves on, gets paid. The story that Billy Meier has told is very controversial because at the time we live here now on our world we are not ready to know this, we don’t have the spaceships and the time machines, we don’t even have an equitable distribution and justice system. It is controversial because Billy Meiers Plejaren\Pleaidaian know better than to disturb developing peoples and burden then with such knowledge they are not ready for. This is why we see the attraction you mention of 100k followers, it is not the same as Disney story, John Titor the time traveller, alien reptiles and David Ickes version of events, it is very particular story that Billy has told and he has been very exact with the details he has used.

[David Naudi]

Readabeard, example, refrain from telling folks they are going to die before the next decade is out, ok. It may be the truth and exactly what Billy Meiers story is all about in every way, declaring the truth in all its splendour for all to marvel over and recognise themselves and what they are for the first time in Neanderthal history. But don’t tell them. They don’t like the truth, not all persons, it is harsh and coarse because they are not ready for it and they don’t want Billy Meier to deliver it to them they want their governments to, it is because they are naive about reality and what their governments can offer them. Billy Meier has stated and explained things that cannot be offered by governing body’s because they are not able to yet, most are still today dictated to by religions and other governing body people and governments. These folks don’t like learning that the truth, if they want it, would have to come via him, from an alien race and they don’t like the details that have been revealed. Most of these folks are ufologists and don’t waste your time with those, unless you are one, in which case do what you need to do.

[Taro]

Readabeard, here’s a question for you: IF Meier’s story contains deliberately false elements, does that automatically make his case a hoax? How would it explain the impossible physics contained in his 8mm films?

[Taro]

“According to Meier’s fairytales there’s only Jmmanuel and not Jesus Christ so when I say he claims to be Jesus Christ reincarnated every cult member has been trained to say “that is false”.”

Ed V., you have a very strong tendency to make statements as if they are fact when in reality they are either speculation, assumption, or poor reasoning. They could also be deliberate lies. Where did you hear that anyone is “trained” to say anything? The reason it is false is because,

A) There is a clear distinction between Jmmanuel and Jesus: Jesus magically walked on water, created a feast for the masses from a picnic basket, and came back from the dead. Then he magically floated into the sky. Claimed to be the son of “God”. He also tells you he is your saviour. Jmmanuel on the other hand was a regular man, aside from his parentage. He taught that spiritual development is each person’s own responsibility. No such thing as a saviour. No magic.

B) This distinction, when ignored, completely misrepresents Meier and all of his earlier incarnations. This is one reason why “skeptics” like to disregard the distinction. It is a form of DISINFORMATION.

“I was testing you to see if you can think outside the Cult’s narrative. Clearly you don’t.”

Clearly you have no idea what you’re talking about. You are obsessed with labeling anyone who sees the case different than you as a cult follower. BTW, “cult” is a purely subjective term. I prefer to keep things as objective as possible. You should strive for the same, Ed V.

“The problem with you Taro is that you’re can not fathom there’s anything wrong with the Meier story.”

See my reply to Readabeard, then get back to me. You need to make a commitment to using FACTS rather than ASSUMPTIONS. You still haven’t answered my question Ed V:

Why do you NEED to believe the Meier case is a hoax?

“Taro, when there’s a Harcostar drum lid on Meier’s alleged alien WCUFO the most likely explanation is that it is a Harcostar drum lid and that Meier hoaxed it.”

FALSE. When the witness provides hundreds of unduplicatable UFO photos, usually in a difficult(if not impossible) to hoax PHOTO SERIES, as well as numerous unduplicatable 8mm footage, a 48-min unduplicated audio recording etc., etc…then the most likely explanation is the same extraterrestrials created yet another fake UFO hoax. Do you believe a civilization who can zip through space can’t handle a simple trash lid design? WHY do you believe it’s impossible for aliens to have staged a fake UFO hoax, Ed V?

“Meier spending years in prison shows his character.”

Does it? Or do you use it to justify hating Meier? How old was he during his time in prison? What was his crime? Plenty of ex-cons who have done much worse have redeemed themselves numerous times over. Not all of them, but it IS possible. Is it not, Ed V?

“Meier beating his wife shows his character. Meier beating his child shows his character.”

You still haven’t answered my question, Ed V:

If you accept Methusalem’s word at face value, then why do you dismiss his position that Meier’s contacts are real?

If you accept Methusalem’s testimony of “beating” but dismiss his testimony about his own UFO experiences, then clearly you NEED to believe the case is a hoax. You have ZERO objectivity.

“Meier coming up with ridiculous B.S. excuses when clear signs of fraud are detected shows his character.”

Clear signs of fraud? Well, this is exactly what this thread is all about. What makes you so sure that it is impossible for aliens to have been responsible for these “clear signs of fraud”?

“The real question is why is your mind so weak that you can’t see it!?”

That is a question posed by a mind completely lacking in objectivity. Also scientific knowledge.

[Rhal Zahi]

I would like to contribute to this conversation. I can talk about facts and about what I can prove. I can also give opinions, but they are just opinions but nothing I can prove. Is Billy the reincarnation of Jmmanuel? I cannot prove he is, or he is not, so I prefer not to express an opinion about it.

About the facts: I have been investigating the WCUFO photos for several years and I have found by different methods that it is an object of 3 to 3.5 meters in diameter. Other investigators have found it is more closer to 2 meters in diameter. All of them conclude it is not possible the WCUFO is an object of 0.5 meters in diameter so Billy did not used a trash can lid. Any one spending the time and a rigorous scientific approach will reach the same conclusion.

In Meier case it is very common that the first reaction is saying: “It looks fake, so it must be fake”. If you investigate further you find hidden clues that show it is not really fake, no matter it looks like that. The WCUFO is similar to a model made from a trash can lid but it is not. The Dancing UFO around a tree looks like a hanged model from a cord, but it is not, because is not really behaving like a pendulum unless is breaking the laws of physics.

I understand Taro´s post suggesting the WCUFO is a hoax created by the ETs themselves. May be they did not created this hoax but they stimulated that somebody did it. My conclusions (some of them are opinions) about this case and the ETs are:

– Meier case is real no matter at first sight it looks fake.
– It looks fake because it was made that way on purpose by ETs.
– ETs did it that way because they did not wanted to present irrefutable proofs of their existence; they just wanted to create a Worldwide UFO Controversy.
– They know humanity was not ready to accept ET presence on Earth and other truths we are going to discover later on. If they would presented irrefutable evidence, many people would be seriously affected in their minds (getting crazy)
– The controversy is a way to create a gradual change, so humanity will slowly be aware of a new reality.
– ETs normally do not interfere with evolution in planets at the level of Earth, but they are worried about the damage we are creating here. They possess a desire to help humanity but they know we have to learn from our own mistakes.

Above statements are just opinions, or a hypothesis. You may agree or you may not. It is not the truth, just what I think at this point. What can be considered as a fact is the WCUFO is a big object, not a small model.

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