Is it POSSIBLE for aliens to have staged a fake UFO hoax?

[Andy Cohen]

They have developed Meier and his space as a lesson to us more than for him. They know about perspectives.

Good comment Rhal.

[Andy Cohen]

Taro you should allow those comments from others of hostility while observing their consistency. Those items are a gauge of character for anyone and the comments may even be correct. It is important to know Meier is a relatively average normal man so the reader can assess the struggles and decisions made by the Plejaren team in what has become a worldwide spectacle. It allows us to understand what they have said to him for the contact reports and for other details. You must learn to be more dispassionate.

It is the same for any case of ‘full life on record in the public domain’ there are many objectionable things including probes by random members of the public which muddy the waters, but we would prefer to have the full details as it is already near far and so to be able to make a successful opinion than instead it be so closed that it borders a falsely humane behaviour and be wrong.

I’m not saying celebrate the bad details but remain calm.

[tony bodhran]

I totally agree with you Rhal. Each single piece of genuine evidence provided by Meier is presented on a knife edge of plausible deniability. Hundreds of photographs with an element that with the slightest adjustment or angle of camera would prove it either way conclusively, each photograph staged in such a way that both sides will argue over them incessantly for decades, the closest pictures of the objects then resemble smaller man made objects but with more in depth study reveal themselves also. It’s actually indicative of an amazing intelligence at work in itself.

[Ramirez Lettermen]

Hello all and James deardoff for the idea. The witness testimonies seem complimentary to the theory. often the middle-class working average sort of family people who see, hear or photograph them. The testimony is honest and rarely professional photography skill. A Billy Meier contact person explained with the California earthquake photo that Plejaren somehow put the vision of the event into a artist as a conception before it happens so they make a picture painting in time for the events. This is key because they probably prepare carefully the witnesses too and the sightings that happen to them, using average people, deliberately on purpose. It never happened that a broadcast television producer on the news at 10 was compelled to walk to a place with his/her camera and crew and lawyer etc to see a sighting or to witness something. They carefully prepared every evidence as tony said on a knife edge that is balanced perfectly.

[Taro]

Andy, when someone targets me personally with either twisted truths or blatant lies, I have no intention of letting them get away with it, plain and simple. That would set a bad precedent. The right question exposes these types whether they respond or not. At worst they are liars. At best, their lack of objectivity renders their opinions meaningless even when they insist on stating them as facts.

[Taro]

Tony, not sure if I understood you correctly but I don’t think any “slight adjustment” would make any difference. For example, the Ober-Sadelegg photo series(which includes the ever popular #494) is in a known location with very clear problems for creating a hoax even for a team of two-armed men.

[Ed V.]

So plausible deniability is an element of the Meier case, can it be applied to other contact cases?

[Taro]

Sure, it could be ONE element of any UFO case. In my opinion, anyway.

[Andy Cohen]

Sure Ed V. If you can find another contact case… where the person has actually presented properly the contact aspect which makes it a contact.

I noticed recently that the FIGU places more and lots of anti-Russland and the west is anti Russia kind of rhetoric and propaganda in their texts more and and more. I wanted to say, very quickly that Switzerland is the most anti-Russian of all nations in earths history because it is the only nation in earths history which has ever ensured ALL of its citizens have access to a nuclear fall out shelter. Swiss have carefully assessed the dangers and rolled out an architectural scheme. The swiss think the slavics are a consistent people and a nationwide nuclear fall out shelter programme built into every home written into law would be a safe measure given their assessments of the Russian people.

Just wanted to get that out because FIGU should look closer to home before accusing the English speaking nations of taking certain social precautions.

[tony bodhran]

Hi Taro,
the Ober Sadelleg photos are a good example of this in that at first glance they could be small models but you have to go there to actually understand the difficulty in hoaxing them due to the terrain and location. To the casual observer they could be either large or small objects depending on your own inclinations and experience of various subjects but , today leaving aside the original investigations even if you believe they are large objects it is just an educated guess without the original negatives to examine , but take the time to a trip to Ober Sadelleg and you don’t need anything else to figure out that small models are out of the question.

[tony bodhran]

OK Maybe slight adjustment was the wrong term to use. I was thinking of other photos like the hasenbol series and the wcufo but you get what I mean. All the evidence has an element of being able to be taken as genuine or a hoax at first glance , proving itself only with detailed analysis.

[Taro]

“All the evidence has an element of being able to be taken as genuine or a hoax at first glance , proving itself only with detailed analysis.”

My thoughts exactly.

[William Verhulst]

The Billy Meier story has not ever been told clearly and for a one-time, as a movie or as a one book, has revisions etc. But it should be told, the time has come for the Billy Meier story to be told. His 23 pages in cr251 are the first showing I think but this document leaves out certain important facts.

I think those that have ever read the real story and not judged the case by the photos alone lol and decided it’s wrong they are scientologists, religionists or they are academic (don’t have their own opinion,lol,v.poor)

This is my verdict.

[William Verhulst]

However if you know the Billy Meier story makes sense and see it mirrors reality and solves many problems in the official narrative etc, then you are automatically a freak and an outcast and be very careful because you could loose your life for getting too talkative and if you don’t loose your life you may become unemployable if you realise too many of the details in Billy Meiers story, you may loose all your friends and family if Billy Meiers story makes too much sense to you. Be careful because you may also have to take on a problem solving position for the arahat athersata which is an unpaid vacancy. Also be careful because you will be a minority if you know how Billy Meier speaks of reality, this will get you in big trouble with everyone and if you know our lives are cut short then you may also suffer a tormented death.

The best way according to Billy to not look at it anymore once you have woken up and focus forward and to the present and now forward, don’t look back and forward so much and live life till the very end. Because knowing what you know on a world like this at this time equals doom.

[Ed V.]

Andy, people were interested in and telling their contact stories decades before Billy Meier;
http://www.messynessychic.com/2014/06/12/the-1950s-flying-saucer-conventions-at-an-underground-rock-house/

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