Is it POSSIBLE for aliens to have staged a fake UFO hoax?

[Jacobs Trouble]

Fuck off and find your own references you lazy bugger, read what he has written and stop telling people they are wrong and that they make assumptions when you don’t even know what it is about and when people agree with you, and it is all relevant to the discussion because he is the author of all of it. Stop telling people they have misunderstood something when that is exactly what it says it is and when it isn’t what it says it is there is another contact which says it.

You behave like exactly like a FIGU member behaves, everyone of them, a proper cunt!, where everything is wrong and everything is not as it is, even when it is and that is exactly what it says and exactly what it means, you need to wake the fuck up like Michael horn and all the other cunts that hang around arguing about a load of old shit and look at the whole story for once and get your fucking heads out of the little details and how everyone is wrong and you are right and grow and take on more because you all behave like a bunch of creationists, every single one of you, your all a bunch of creationists, wake the fuck up and do it now you cunt.

[Taro]

If you wish to act like an obnoxious, petulant child, spewing insults and profanities, that is of course your choice, Jacobs Trouble. I’m trying to get an OBJECTIVE discussion going about a theory which makes the most sense to me. No one asked you to join in. YOU chose to do so. If you don’t like it, then maybe you should make this your final post here and find a thread more suited to you.

Meier has written thousands of pages. I’m not sifting through every single one trying to find a reference for whatever it is you believe you’ve understood. SHOW YOUR REFERENCES.

An objective discussion includes verifiable references. If you make a claim without backing it up, I will call you out. It’s that simple. If you choose to continue posting on this thread, then you better get used to it.

stop telling people they are wrong and that they make assumptions

If you make an assumption, I will call you out. Assumptions have very little place within an objective discussion.

when you don’t even know what it is about

It? What do you mean by “it”? You regularly talk in very vague terms, expecting me to just agree with you. Meier’s mission is about the spiritual teachings. So, what is it you believe I’m missing?

and when people agree with you

I believe it’s possible for aliens to have staged a fake UFO hoax. You do not. Clearly, we do NOT agree.

Stop telling people they have misunderstood something when that is exactly what it says it is and when it isn’t what it says it is there is another contact which says it.

Prove it. Post some references.

get your fucking heads out of the little details

Why are you afraid of the details? Is it because you don’t understand them? I’ve asked you once, I’ll ask you again: DO YOU HAVE ANY SCIENCE BACKGROUND, JACOBS TROUBLE?

you all behave like a bunch of creationists, every single one of you, your all a bunch of creationists

What exactly are you basing this on? Once again, you make ASSUMPTIONS.

[Paul wr]

Just a little coarse Jacobs Trouble. That was rude and dishonourable what you said to Taro there. There is nothing that constitutes rudeness.

Taro, you are mincing Jacobs troubles words a lot like a blender. Nothing constitutes his rudeness, however I do recommend you investigate what he’s been talking about because you may think you are promoting the harmless authenticity of a UFO photo when what you actually are doing is bring up the yield of a weapon of mass destruction, that is, the contact reports and books of Billy Meier are not harmless and about exclusively about UFOs and I hate to say Jacobs Trouble is right that UFOs is maybe 10% or less of the Billy Meier story and it is interesting what Jacobus said about the religions of the world because that’s exactly what Billy Meiers contacts is about. Recommend you check before promoting a thing you don’t know what is about.

[Paul wr]

TARO SAYS: “Meier’s mission is about the spiritual teachings”
No this is an error Taro, it’s not about the spiritual teaching, I appreciate it says that it is hundreds of times over and over again, but in truth the spiritual teaching is only available to a small number of f.i.g.u members, and they have already received the texts in the postbox.

The mission is to educate the Earth humans about the weird and strange humans sciences and let them know that humans from many other worlds know and watch that they talk about things such as love etc which they don’t know what it means however many intellectual studies. It is about telling the Earth human that they are genetically modified and in a deep danger of falling out of reality’s and it is about explaining what is wrong with the religions, the errors in the religions.

[Paul wr]

what Jacobs trouble may have meant was Billy/figu/Plejaren/michaelhorn says one thing and does another completely separate and it is not equivalent in exchange. Is this what you meant Jacobs Trouble?

how I just said there that freakishly billy and ptaah says it’s about teaching of life teaching of spirit and then they talk by percentage terms about conspiracies and social affairs between f.i.g.u members and only members get spiritual teachings and get the Plejarens ghost rays gun fired at them when they are teenagers.

[Taro]

Maybe you’re right, maybe you’re wrong. I would need to read the specific references myself. In any case, Meier’s mission is about a lot of things. And this thread is about UFO’s, regardless of whatever percentage you or Jacobs have “calculated”. Also, I personally believe it’s possible Meier and/or the Plejaren have deliberately added disinformation or at the least, deliberately convoluted information as part of the staged hoax. If you want a society to think for themselves, you have to keep them on their toes by throwing in some bullshit once in a while otherwise they become too dependent on you. If some kid keeps bugging you for answers during a test, you throw him some bad ones so he leaves you alone. So, I take all of Meier’s CR’s with a grain of salt.

[David Naudi]

I had no idea you could milk a cat! Oh, you can milk just about anything with nipples. I have nipples, Greg, could you milk me?

Funny as that quote is scientific America found recently that human men can lactate during a scientific study into fat boys with breasty fatty deposits that look like woman’s tits, to see if they could produce enough milk to nourish a suckling baby from the trans-fat thing that looks like a women’s breast on a boy or man. Turns out it can produce a small amount of milk seminal product and lactate like a sacred Indian cow.

[Taro]

So, David Naudi, aliens staging a fake UFO hoax, possible or not?

[Paul wr]

Pipe down naudi this thread is about the 10% Meiers flying strahlshiff beamship ufo saucers (about heavy flying metal), not about the 90% Meier which deals with other subject matters, try another section of the forum for that.

It’s a thread established by Taro and therefore has to be limited to that 10% of the info

I don’t care naudi, no I don’t care, if the other 90% Meier was put there specifically so that folks like Taro could answer their own questions for the first time in history and not have to ask questions that are already answered. It’s his thread David

[David Naudi]

Taro, I think…

I think I agree with what Florena said in 486th contact conversation back in 2010, and it’s why I distanced myself from Michael Horn back then.

Florena:

3. That is right, because Ptaah and Quetzal did not have the necessary time last Saturday for them to have been able to discuss these things with you, whereby they just now instructed me to.

4. This deals with the fact that even today, after more than 30 years of our contacts, malicious know-it-alls, critics and calumniators still cannot come to terms with the facts and with the truth that our contacts are real and also that your photographic material, which we instructed you to create, is genuine.

5. No matter how much evidence is provided regarding our contacts – for instance by witnesses of integrity who have seen our flying devices and have even seen some of us Plejaren ourselves, and have experienced things with you which have pointed clearly to our presence – all these things are maliciously and, as if they know better, criticised, whereby you are also slandered and accused of deception, of swindles and lies.

6. Since the beginning of the existence of our contacts and the release of your evidential materials starting from the year 1975, in this respect, again and again controversy has been triggered by malicious ones, by know-it-alls, critics and calumniators.

7. The truth of the contacts and the genuineness of the photographs and other materials were thereby called into question and malicious calumniators made accusations that they are deceptive and mendacious.

8. Recently, after such a long time, the attempt is now being made again by persons who are hateful and profoundly poor in intellect and rationality, as it is by Korff.

9. In his hatred of you, this man hurts himself, because in all the years of his efforts, with respect to his intrigues and calumnies against you, he was unable to accomplish anything.

10. So again he takes his hatred against you to start a new controversy, because in all the years he could not come to terms with never really being able to find something against you and against our contacts and against your photographic material, through which he would have been able to convict you of deception, of swindle and lies.

11. So, hatefully and in ridiculous ways, he fabricated impossible things, especially with regard to the photographic materials, which he cites as “proof” of his absurd claims and theories.

12. Thereto, according to Ptaah and Quetzal and from all of us who work together with them and discuss all necessary things with them, I now should advise that you and the Core Group members and passive members, as well as Michael Horn and others, in no further way ought to involve yourselves in any controversy in said form.

13. Also, in the correspondence as well as on the FIGU forums and with journalists and visitors, and so forth, the whole thing ought not to be gone into, and thus no questions relevant to controversy or other questions which are directed at calling the truth into question, are to be answered any more.

14. For the longest time, in the same way that evidence of the truth of our collective contacts has already been provided by many witnesses, as has the genuineness of your photos made ​of our beamships and various materials, which were given by Genesis III in the USA, to renowned scientific experts and institutions for scientific investigation and analysis and which proved that all the material corresponds to genuineness and that no counterfeits whatsoever are presented.

15. Also, the investigations on the sites and locations where the photos, and so forth, were made showed that all your data correspond to the truth and that no deception whatsoever is present.

16. This must finally be accepted. However, after all the evidence provided and after a time of more than 30 years, whoever – in regard to the presentation of evidence – still cannot accept this, is poor and paranoid in regard to intelligence and rationality.

17. Therefore, neither you, nor other members or friends and acquaintances, ought to react to further discriminatory machinations and questions, rather declare that the evidence of the genuineness and truth in regard to the contacts and photos, as well as other materials is sufficiently provided, consequently it is nonsensical to still continue to talk about it.

Billy:

Ptaah has privately briefly indicated that already, but then he did not speak to me any further about it.

[Taro]

David Naudi, you never answered my question:

Is it POSSIBLE for aliens to have staged a fake UFO hoax? If not, why not?

FYI, this thread has nothing to do with Michael Horn(unless of course you believe he is somehow part of a staged, fake UFO hoax).

[Taro]

Paul wr, same exact questions for you:

Is it POSSIBLE for aliens to have staged a fake UFO hoax? If not, why not?

Regardless of whatever made up percentage of Meier’s mission you believe are about UFOs, this website and thread are ALL about UFOs. The Billy Meier UFO case is 100% about Billy Meier’s UFOs. If you choose to troll me with veiled insults and avoid answering the questions altogether that’s entirely up to you. I don’t own this thread nor have I ever claimed to. It reflects only on you and BMUFOR’s commenting policies. Despite its name, however this website does oddly spend “99%” of its efforts on everything but UFOs. Some food for thought.(That was for you, Naudi ; )

[Jacobs Trouble]

Yes I meant that Paul wr. In the meetings they have discussed about psychopaths, slanderers, know-it-all’s, aggression etc, the behaviour of group members and humanity in the prophecies and predictions etc.

But what has never occurred is a judgement in the opposite direction, towards them and towards their behaviour. From what I can make out of it they have strategically steered every unit of wording back toward us.

First off, I appreciate their honesty, but, if it is as they say that we age and die in the span of time while the Plejaren are children on their world. Then do you not think this is highly irresponsible to influence Albert Einstein and help the developers of the atom bomb with impulses and the developers of the nazi UFO’s with impulses to assist them develop those technologies. Do you not think the Plejaren and their behaviour and then second to that and less relevant our behaviour under the magnifying glass ought to be the main focus of the contacts?

Or should we appreciate them for it? I think when I read the contacts the undulation is that we need to begin to appreciate them for speeding progress along and opening up the world because we would have been doomed to a million years if left on our own, and that maybe so, but do you not think that their behaviour warrants discussion. They have been honest about their behaviour and conduct through out our history which again I appreciate the honesty about it, brave, and because now everything about earth finally makes sense, but do not think the discussion should be more reflective on their position, conduct and behaviour in all this.

Michael Horn has single handedly stamped out any reproachment, removed, edited and slandered every person who has ever questioned them on it, told people to stay to the subjects of his blog and then never covered those topics. The FIGU forum moderators even removed the sections that could even remotely question those areas of discussion.

And what it amounts to is a creationalist mentality and creationalist sensibility, a god fearing, apologetic positioning and a heard of sheep. This is all very wrong and there is going to be some very serious trouble and consequences for it in the future resulting from it

[Jacobs Trouble]

Taro what do you mean; used a real but counterfeit UFO in fake looking way – wtf? But yes that is what the contact reports says happened, they programmed the real UFOs to girate around the sky to look like they were on a string and around a tree to make it look like they were fixed to it for support and the wedding cake ufo was specially made by their beamship engineering team to look fake AF, to be too small to sit in and too large to be a worthy fake to a scientifically trained investigator, which was remote controlled with a mini beam drive – wtf? A real fake and all for what exactly?

What is the outcome? To make Meier and his supporters look like the most stupid of all available UFO readers in the whole world and openly stupid like no other UFO group would ever dare be as stupid.

YES Taro your question is what it is.

[Jacobs Trouble]

Taro it is the way they judge us, that is it, the almighty judge, that is the judgement that folks have been banging on about for 2 thousand years. Your either on one side that can see it for what it is, or your on the other side and you’ll never be during this epochal stage, it is the very severe judgement against irrationality and it is severe because there are only two ways and it’s very particular, bordering perverted in its configuration, but that is the test.

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