Is it POSSIBLE for aliens to have staged a fake UFO hoax?

[Taro]

Jacobs Trouble, you write in a very confusing manner. Let’s take one step back: Do you believe Meier’s UFO evidence is genuine or hoaxed?

Taro what do you mean; used a real but counterfeit UFO in fake looking way

Here are my exact words again:

Is it POSSIBLE for aliens to have staged a fake UFO hoax? If not, why not?

Either Meier entirely faked his UFO evidence in ways no one, in 40+ years has been able to figure out,

OR

the extraterrestrials he is in contact with deliberately set up the evidence Meier was permitted to gather to resemble a UFO hoax on the surface.

Do you understand now?

[Jacobs Trouble]

Stop it asking the same question over and over and hoping for a different response you stupid twat. The Meier evidence is both genuine and hoax, and between them at FIGU they’ve decided to retain all of the fake shit that has worked into way into the patty, probably because they are just like you Taro.

[Elba]

serious injury has resulted from falsely labelled “healings”, where patients erroneously consider themselves cured and cease or withdraw from treatment. at least six people have died after faith healing by their church and being told they had been healed of HIV and could stop taking their medications

[Taro]

I’ll stop asking once you start making some sense. Besides, you asked me to clarify. So, I did.

The Meier evidence is both genuine and hoax

HOW? Please elaborate. Which parts do you believe are hoaxed? How did you come to this conclusion? How can you be sure it’s a real hoax and not a fake one created by the ETs?

and between them at FIGU they’ve decided to retain all of the fake shit that has worked into way into the patty, probably because they are just like you Taro.

No idea what any of this means.

[Ed V.]

In Timothy Good’s book Alien Update chapter 10 is devoted to James Deardorff’s hypothesis (and what’s discussed here in this topic) named ‘Possible Extraterrestrial Strategy for Earth.’

[Taro]

Ed V., I’ll ask again. Are you

“Edward Fisher”
https://disqus.com/by/disqus_I4pxuloG8P/

and/or

“TerraRubicon”?
https://www.youtube.com/user/TerraRubicon

Why the new alias? Are you trying to distance yourself from your past conversations?

[Taro]

Also, you still haven’t answered this simple question, Ed V.:

WHY do you believe it’s impossible for aliens to have staged a fake UFO hoax?

[Jacobs Trouble]

Taro Says:

Which parts do you believe are hoaxed? How did you come to this conclusion? How can you be sure it’s a real hoax and not a fake one created by the ETs?

The parts that Billy Meier wrote about in a book, bulletin, forum or said in an interview were hoaxed, I came to the conclusion they must be hoaxed because Billy himself said that is what happened and I have no reason to disbelieve him on his word. The aspects Billy wrote about which he could not understand himself until later I felt were genuine, Billy was certainly sincere as he admitted he did not even understand what he himself had wrote and published.

No idea what any of this means

The FIGU has never taken the fakes away, you don’t need me or anyone else to finger out to you which images are fake and which are genuine, they are all over the internet, that is what I meant. The most popular images on google by hit rate are the fakes, because twats love shit, and the results at the bottom with the lowest rating are the images which are genuine – or you can just buy a book in German and have them explain it to you better than I or anyone else can. AS Tony said it has already had its day back in 1978

[Ed V.]

To answer your last question first; no, it’s not impossible that ETs build in a “plausible deniability” factor in their contact scenarios in order to gradually get the people of Earth to get used to the idea that there are other civilizations in the Universe and those that are not yet mentally ready, to have a way out. This is what James Deardorff tries to make clear with his hypothesis “Possible Extraterrestrial Strategy for Earth.”
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1986QJRAS..27…94D
I’ve read his theory years ago when it was published in Timothy Good’s book Alien Update (1993). This was even well before I delved into the Meier case with the onset of the internet. Yet something remarkable happened when I discussed this theory with Meier supporters when it came up on the FIGU website in 2002. All those people who believed in the Meier case could only apply it to the Meier case! They couldn’t fathom it in other cases while those cases had eyewitnesses, film and photographs. Why? Meier, the acclaimed Universal Prophet, said others were frauds with no proof whatsoever. All critical thought was shut down by a belief system! You wonder why Aliens don’t land? Because of that…

To answer your first question. Yes, all those aliases are me. Just seeped in over time. If you want to know my real name all you have to do is delve into the FIGU archives when I asked Meier a question why he regards Adamski and Menger as frauds while they had eyewitnesses, film and photographs. I told you what happened to me personally after I relayed that question. 😉

[Taro]

Jacobs Trouble,

you don’t need me or anyone else to finger out to you which images are fake and which are genuine

I never said I did. You completely misunderstand. I can determine which are real or fake for myself. I have studied Meier’s UFO evidence in great detail, I can assure you. But I’m here to explore the thought process behind accepting or rejecting plausible deniability.

[Taro]

Ed V.,

no, it’s not impossible that ETs build in a “plausible deniability” factor in their contact scenarios

So, then it IS possible that the Meier case is genuine, the Plejaren/Pleiadians do exist and they have orchestrated a UFO case designed to resemble a hoax, correct?

If you accept plausible deniability, then isn’t it possible for Meier’s claims regarding other contactees to be deliberately misleading?

[Readabeard]

About this time last month I said something and I say it roughly again. It is illegal for the plejarens to contact earth humans because of their own legal system, therefore they have been stalling for time, which you may be describing as them hoaxing or as a plausible deniability etc, but the truth of it is that they have been offered a very limited offer and concession to communicate under strictly controlled conditions with Meier and others, but only for a limited time. The reason for this is because their interaction greatly disturbs those individuals, this is why Meier had to explain that they have been disturbing him in many lives over hundreds of thousands of years. When scientists read about Billy Meier most think that it is not relevant that he has explained about something or something else, they think that it is a distraction or a copy of another authors work, but if a reader is more critical and careful they can find that everything he has written (well 90% anyway) is relevant to the overall story and situation and reason for contact and reason extraterrestrials don’t contact or do, and why the earth humans have only very weak telepathic skills and a very short life expectancy and a multi race world and talk about god as if surely there must be something to it. When scientists look more deeply and abandon that ephemeral shallow reading then on and on and on they discover and discover for the rest of their lives and die long before they have filled, it opens the door

[Andy Cohen]

I hope Jung Kum doesn’t milk this like he milked that deli llama in ’54 with Michaels horn. That got real raelian real fast and horn did not milk un Kim like deli did with Michel llama brow.

[Ed V.]

Taro,

It all revolves around how you use the “plausible deniability” factor. I can implement it even better then you. The WCUFO is simply a fake, a model build by Meier using a Harcostar drum lid because the ETs wanted it that way.. It allows people a way out of the Meier case! So stop claiming it’s a real ET probe and just admit it’s fake because of plausible deniability.

[Oliver]

It seems you doubt your own beliefs, you lack confidence in what you believe otherwise you wouldn’t be so emotional and reactionary. What we have is hearsay and anecdotal hearsay is NOT proof of fact or proof that can be tested; photos of UFO’s is NOT proof, people making claims they witnessed this and that is NOT proof, it’s anecdotal on the same level of people that claim they meet angels on a highway.

At some point if Billy is to be taken seriously his alien friends will have to expose themselves, give us something that can not be debunked or refuted.

Your problem is the fact that you are willing to accept this case based on anecdotal hearsay not substantial and unsubstantial facts and so called predictions is not solid evidence. Evidence would be if they told us themselves openly and not from behind the curtains.

If Meier is such a beloved friend of the aliens why does he not keep filming his so called spaceships with an HD camera and film inside the spaceships and interview the aliens etc….His photos/videos are so unbelievable fake that not even kids today believe it. This clown is 80 years old and still makes money of this shit.

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