Is it POSSIBLE for aliens to have staged a fake UFO hoax?

[Anubis]

Sure are Oliver, now either move on or look more closely at why

[Taro]

Ed V.,

The WCUFO is simply a fake, a model build by Meier using a Harcostar drum lid

This is merely a hypothesis but it does not fit the facts:

Meier has only one arm which greatly complicates the theory that he fashioned such a complex construction.
Meier was constantly surrounded by people, including his wife at the time and his children; None can produce a shred of evidence that he worked on any alleged hoax.
No alleged accomplices have ever been identified.
None of the assumed household parts are a match for Meier’s WCUFO.
There is zero evidence for the Harcostar lid having existed in 1980.

because the ETs wanted it that way.. It allows people a way out of the Meier case!

Yes, but so does the “Pendulum UFO” film which at first glance appears to be a swinging model. Yet, it cannot be reproduced by a swinging model. And so far, the WCUFO has never been truly reproduced.

So stop claiming it’s a real ET probe

Stick to the facts, Ed. I’ve never CLAIMED it was an ET probe. It is a possibility that has NEVER been ruled out.

[Taro]

Silvio Santini, otherwise known as “Oliver” the troll:

Threats from a Neo-Nazi

You never answered my questions:

Is it POSSIBLE for aliens to have staged a fake UFO hoax? If not, why not?

You’ve been avoiding this question elsewhere because you believe extraterrestrials are an impossibility in your dome-covered, flat Earth universe. How will you handle it here? We’ll keep coming back to this. That’s a promise, Silvio.

It seems you doubt your own beliefs, you lack confidence in what you believe otherwise you wouldn’t be so emotional and reactionary.

So, you believe this description does not fit you exactly? We’ll see…

What we have is hearsay and anecdotal hearsay is NOT proof of fact or proof that can be tested; photos of UFO’s is NOT proof, people making claims they witnessed this and that is NOT proof

What’s your point? I never once said Meier’s UFO evidence was “proof” of extraterrestrial existence. Besides, proof, outside of mathematics becomes very subjective. If aliens were to land on the White House lawn, there will still be a few who will claim it’s somehow hoaxed. All “proof” means is what convinces one person to the next.

However, to those with some SCIENTIFIC understanding, the independent investigation led by Wendelle Stevens PROVED Meier’s UFOs were not produced by any known hoax methods from that time. The impossible PHYSICS seen in this direct comparison PROVES a swinging model cannot reproduce Meier’s “Pendulum UFO” film:

it’s anecdotal on the same level of people that claim they meet angels on a highway.

People who claim to have met angels on the highway do not have scientifically validated evidence as Meier does.

At some point if Billy is to be taken seriously his alien friends will have to expose themselves, give us something that can not be debunked or refuted.

Well, that just leads us smack-dab into the middle of what this thread is all about: Maybe Billy and his alien friends only want to be taken seriously by those with enough thinking power to put together all of the MANY puzzle pieces. Read James Deardorff’s take on plausible deniability:

http://www.tjresearch.info/denial.htm

Your problem is the fact that you are willing to accept this case based on anecdotal hearsay not substantial and unsubstantial facts and so called predictions is not solid evidence.

FALSE. I accept this case based on SCIENCE. Do you have any scientific background? NO. So, why do you believe you know what you’re talking about?

Evidence would be if they told us themselves openly and not from behind the curtains.

You don’t appear to know what the term evidence means. You should look it up. The Billy Meier UFO case has more UFO evidence than any other UFO case by far. And that includes Roswell, the most well-known UFO case.

If Meier is such a beloved friend of the aliens why does he not keep filming his so called spaceships with an HD camera and film inside the spaceships and interview the aliens etc….His photos/videos are so unbelievable fake that not even kids today believe it.

It would appear you DO NOT believe it’s POSSIBLE for aliens to have staged a fake UFO hoax. Yes? No? Is it because you believe aliens cannot even exist in your domed-in universe? If not this then why not?

This clown is 80 years old and still makes money of this shit.

Everyone has to eat. So, how much money does he make? What are his expenses? Why do you think you know his financial situation?

[Anubis]

Surely not Taro that cannot be silvio santini! It has been too long since he commented on the case. Besides he looks like he smacks men and older women and wets the bed with his shart. Why would someone like that still be lurking around after all these years?? It would completely out of nature with the character and tone or the information being presented by Billy.

[Anubis]

Who are you Taro? You sound a lot like how Michael Horn talks, paranoid and inspecting everyone and everything they say because he is concerned they may think something negative one time and he feels he needs to be there to soften the blow if they do even if they type some text that is read the wrong way. Michael is a detective, are you a detective Taro? Are you sure? You’ve done a thorough work of detecting the invisible aliens?

[Taro]

What’s your point, “Anubis”? Does it have anything to do with plausible deniability?

[Oliver]

TARO is a pathetic little Meier troll. Any intelligent and concise comment gets hit with libel and slander. He is most likely hired and payed by Horn. Of course I am not the person his claiming I am.

Meier and his huckster buddy Mike Horn take advantage of people with a low IQ and exploits their wishful thinking. Once they are emotionally attached to him and his phantasmagorical nonsense their mind sinks into cognitive dissonance.

Deductive reasoning tells rational and objective thinking people that this is a blatant hoax. Meier NEVER provides tangible, irrefutable proof of contact.

– Meier NEVER filmed the disks landing, the cockpit with instruments, the ETs walking out.
– Meier NEVER fires the silly toy gun with red plastic barrel on camera, only points to a hole. All non-conclusive garbage.
– He NEVER films his spacetrip but shows blurry and distorted pictures of which 23 where proven to come out of children text books and NASA magazines.
– His ‘Might of Thought’ was DEBUNKED as a blatant copy of David Allen’s ‘As a Man Thinketh’.

The WCUFO is the most ridiculous model of an UFO I have ever seen! LOL Meier NEVER shows it like the others floating in mid air. Either the top/bottom is cut off in the pictures or it is motionless right next to a tree. Because it was too heavy to suspend from ordinary fishing line like the others. Plus he used, the now famous, Harcostar drum lid as base and even left the handles on.

If you can think logically and apply Occams razor you can see its all fake but if you are emotionally attached to Meier like his apologists and need a ‘Prophet’ to ease your mishaps, worries and fear in life, then your mind slips into cognitive dissonance and makes excuses for the blatant hoax it is. LOOK at all of his stuff objectively. As a critical thinking person you learn to look and NOT to listen.

[Andy Cohen]

cowPat told me Oliver PM’ed her, harcostar drum roll, talking about his motionless barrel with handles on and how it points to her hole saying he was looking to milk Taro’s lower body horn after he makes contact and said he wanted to film Taro’s cockpit instruments because Meier didn’t, apparently he wants to fire his silly gun and that his favourite pics are the blurry distorted ones but doesn’t get emotionally attached to apologists.

[Taro]

“Oliver”,

First and foremost,

Is it POSSIBLE for aliens to have staged a fake UFO hoax? If not, why not?

Why are you afraid to address these questions? Is it because you cannot come up with a believable lie to cover for the truth about your flat Earth beliefs?

TARO is a pathetic little Meier troll.

You do realize that by coming to this thread while avoiding the core subject matter only proves that it is in fact you who is trolling me, right?

Any intelligent and concise comment gets hit with libel and slander.

It isn’t libel nor slander if it’s the truth.

He is most likely hired and payed by Horn.

Pure speculation. It’s your only game, Santini. I don’t get a red cent from anyone. I don’t answer to anyone. But I’m flattered you think I’m worthy of getting paid. So, tell me, what exactly are you basing this ACCUSATION on?

Of course I am not the person his claiming I am.

You are a pathological liar. You and I both know you will never prove who you really are. Tell me, are you the “Oliver” who posts on every Meier YouTube video? You use all of the same arguments.

Meier and his huckster buddy Mike Horn take advantage of people with a low IQ and exploits their wishful thinking. Once they are emotionally attached to him and his phantasmagorical nonsense their mind sinks into cognitive dissonance.

Cognitive dissonance? Why do you troll so many Meier pages? I’ll tell you why: You desperately NEED to believe in your domed-in universe(so cozy) but you find Meier’s UFO case so compelling, deep down it threatens your safe, little, fantasy bubble. This mental discomfort is textbook cognitive dissonance.

Deductive reasoning tells rational and objective thinking people that this is a blatant hoax. Meier NEVER provides tangible, irrefutable proof of contact.

Rational and objective thinking people do not make the ASSUMPTION of hoax based on a lack of, “tangible, irrefutable proof of contact”. Check your logic.

– Meier NEVER filmed the disks landing, the cockpit with instruments, the ETs walking out.
– Meier NEVER fires the silly toy gun with red plastic barrel on camera, only points to a hole. All non-conclusive garbage.
– He NEVER films his spacetrip but shows blurry and distorted pictures of which 23 where proven to come out of children text books and NASA magazines.
– His ‘Might of Thought’ was DEBUNKED as a blatant copy of David Allen’s ‘As a Man Thinketh’.

The WCUFO is the most ridiculous model of an UFO I have ever seen! LOL Meier NEVER shows it like the others floating in mid air. Either the top/bottom is cut off in the pictures or it is motionless right next to a tree.

All of this can be explained by plausible deniability which circles us back to the main questions you keep avoiding:

Is it POSSIBLE for aliens to have staged a fake UFO hoax? If not, WHY NOT?

Because it was too heavy to suspend from ordinary fishing line like the others.

More speculation. This is nowhere near critical thinking.

Plus he used, the now famous, Harcostar drum lid as base and even left the handles on.

So, he’s smart enough to fool numerous experts from several disciplines with his UFO evidence but dumb enough to use an unaltered, recognizable, mass produced item. Does this really make sense to you? The more plausible explanation is a staged UFO hoax by extraterrestrials.

If you can think logically and apply Occams razor you can see its all fake

Occam’s razor: When presented with competing hypothetical answers to a problem, one should select the answer that makes the fewest assumptions.

How many ASSUMPTIONS have you made? The biggest one is that aliens cannot exist. Am I right?

Explain how Meier filmed himself, with one arm, performing impossible physics with a small, swinging model. The answer, according to Occam is he didn’t. He filmed a large, aerial vehicle with enough mass to produce wake turbulence to move the tip of a conifer on a close pass.

but if you are emotionally attached to Meier like his apologists and need a ‘Prophet’ to ease your mishaps, worries and fear in life, then your mind slips into cognitive dissonance and makes excuses for the blatant hoax it is.

Ease my worries? Meier says the planet is in for some major problems ahead. If those weren’t enough, there are dangers in the universe that we may be inviting here with Active SETI. Please. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

LOOK at all of his stuff objectively. As a critical thinking person you learn to look and NOT to listen.

You’re so full of shit, Santini. An OBJECTIVE, CRITICAL THINKING person would never dismiss the scientific analyses which scrutinized Meier’s UFO evidence without first learning a bit of science for themselves. Do you have ANY scientific background at all, Silvio? Please, allow me since I already know the answer: NO.

[Tony]

Oliver-The WCUFO is the most ridiculous model of an UFO I have ever seen!
-the silly toy gun with red plastic barrel

This right here is a prime example of childish thought processes. You have seen many authentic alien spacecraft in your time then? Tell us what they looked like? Seen many alien weapons on your travels? They had different coloured barrels did they? Were there many adult sized toy lazer guns in the shops in Zurich in the 1970’s?

[Oliver]

Answer the following with enough logic and common sense :

1. How come all the components Phil Langdon used fit the Harcostar drum lid perfectly? All the 30mm christmas globes are EXACTLY the same amount as Meier’s model. What are the odds in the universe!? If it can be 100% duplicated then it is DEBUNKED. This is called the scientific method.

2. How come the base of the WCUFO shows the EXACT identical handles and 3 mold rings as the 18 inch Harcostar drum lid which was found at Meier’s property? What are the odds in the universe?

3. Why do Meier’s Energy ships look EXACTLY like the streetlanterns which are on Meier’s property. Ex-FIGUians exposed the method and how Meier faked it. He superimposed multiple images of a streetlamp onto his courtyard picture That is called DEBUNKED.

4. Why does Meier still publish the 23 fake pictures he claimed were switched by the MIB? How is it possible that in over 35 years ‘Prophet Meier’ didn’t notice that they are fakes?

5. How come the clouds jump 10-15 minutes and the branches stop moving in Meier’s Super-8 films between the disappearance and re-appearance of the ‘Beamships’?

6. If he is such a beloved friend of the aliens why does he not keep filming his so called spaceships with an HD camera and film inside the spaceships and interview the aliens etc….

I’ll be waiting…

[Taro]

“Oliver”,

Is it POSSIBLE for aliens to have staged a fake UFO hoax? If not, WHY NOT?

The more you continue to ignore these simple questions the more you reveal your mental discomfort with them.

1. How come all the components Phil Langdon used fit the Harcostar drum lid perfectly?

None of what you’ve described as “perfect” or “exact” is as such. You need to look closer. Did you take any measurements? No. So, how do you know? You don’t.

All the 30mm christmas globes are EXACTLY the same amount as Meier’s model.

Did you match them up in Photoshop? Show the file. Did you take any measurements? Did you match sphere to base ratios? Show your work. You have none.

What are the odds in the universe!?

The odds are very good if aliens planned it that way. “Oliver”, do you believe aliens can exist? Why not? Please do tell.

If it can be 100% duplicated then it is DEBUNKED.

How did you come to this number? You just pulled it out of your ass as you’ve done so many times before. Nothing is ever 100% duplicated. A true UFO analysis is based on empirical data. How did you obtain yours? Do you even have any?

This is called the scientific method.

Oh, please. You don’t know the first thing about science. You’re a bullshitter. That’s all you are. The scientific method involves clearly defined, REPEATABLE steps in an attempt to gather empirical data from which to draw conclusions from. What steps have you taken? Show your work.

2. How come the base of the WCUFO shows the EXACT identical handles and 3 mold rings as the 18 inch Harcostar drum lid which was found at Meier’s property?

They’re not exact. Langdon’s handles are wider and the taper on the sides is flatter than the tabs on Meier’s UFO. Also, it is located just below a gigantic bevel. Meier’s UFO has no such bevel on the base’s upper, outer edge. The bottom edge is completely different too. Langdon’s extends farther. Meier’s has a steeper angle on the upper surface of the bottom flange. Also, the surface on Meier’s is near pristine. How come Langdon couldn’t get a 100% match? Looks like someone beat his with an ugly stick.

3. Why do Meier’s Energy ships look EXACTLY like the streetlanterns which are on Meier’s property.

Plausible deniability.

Ex-FIGUians exposed the method and how Meier faked it. He superimposed multiple images of a streetlamp onto his courtyard picture That is called DEBUNKED.

So, why are they afraid to show hi-res versions of their debunk efforts? And why don’t you want to see them? You are looking for any reason to discredit Meier so you can go back to your snow globe fantasy world.

4. Why does Meier still publish the 23 fake pictures he claimed were switched by the MIB?

Did you ask him? What did he say?

How is it possible that in over 35 years ‘Prophet Meier’ didn’t notice that they are fakes?

You do not know how to think. YOU have the benefit of the many side-by-side comparisons with the originals. He did not. All he had were blurry images that resembled what he remembered from the events.

5. How come the clouds jump 10-15 minutes and the branches stop moving in Meier’s Super-8 films between the disappearance and re-appearance of the ‘Beamships’?

Yeah, you keep posting this 10-15 minutes bullshit with your “Magic” and “Aaron Friedmann” accounts on YouTube. How did you come up with this number? You sure have a lot of numbers up your ass, Silvio.

6. If he is such a beloved friend of the aliens why does he not keep filming his so called spaceships with an HD camera and film inside the spaceships and interview the aliens etc….

If that happened you would claim he used actors and computer graphics. But this brings us back to plausible deniability: Why do you believe aliens can’t exist?

• This reply was modified 4 years, 10 months ago by Taro.

[Oliver]

1. There is absolutely NO tangible irrefutable evidence that Aliens landed on our planet.

2. If they did and are 1000 years advanced they would NOT stage a ‘hoax landing’.

You are a miserabel existence little Tardo.
Plus you suffer delusions of grandeur and are an attention whore with narcissistic tendencies.

Keep writing more BS everybody is laughing about you ignaminious dolt.

[Taro]

1. There is absolutely NO tangible irrefutable evidence that Aliens landed on our planet.

Even if this were true, what does it have to do with the POSSIBILITY of the existence of extraterrestrials?

2. If they did and are 1000 years advanced they would NOT stage a ‘hoax landing’.

How could you possibly know how aliens, which you don’t even believe in, think and act? How would you know what it’s like to be thousands of years advanced? You don’t even understand the basic physics involved in a pendulum swing. Heck, you don’t even believe in science. You think the Earth is flat and the entire universe is under a dome covering it.

You are a miserabel existence little Tardo.
Plus you suffer delusions of grandeur and are an attention whore with narcissistic tendencies.

Keep writing more BS everybody is laughing about you ignaminious dolt.

Ahh, classic Santini. Keep writing on this thread exposing your dingus logic and true beliefs.

[Oliver]

Sure little Tardo, sure.
(Patting your head)

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