Michael Horns behavioural mentality and sensibilities

[Jacobs Trouble]

Ed V. Michael Horn has been known to involuntarily do this while writing;

P.S
Summary of what I told you in three lines. I am excited now.

[Owen Truthmarrion]

Michael is a rent seeker who has set out an arrangement of campaigns for himself.

[Ed V.]

Well, your posts make clear what the Talmud Jmannuel and Michael Horn are basically all about: creating a new religion…

[Simon Lehmen]

That’s right Ed, but there is nothing sensational about that, we knew that, that’s an obvious normal conclusion, they are using all the technologies written in GOTT which allow them to create something like that again yeah sure, well it’s not new is it.

So Ed, seeing as you’ve come about in your thinking and cognition, tell me about the religions of Earth from what YOU think and I’ll tell you what I think. Then we’ll compare what we both think against what we can agree would be a normally developed world under normal conditions. No reproach, the 250 religions of the world with their unique features, either have observed or not in dream land.

[Simon Lehmen]

“creating a new religion”

It is yes, but not as simple as that.
1) Its a large body of knowledge, what do we know about large bodies on knowledge 200 years down the avenue? Well they tend to turn into something anything anyway, whatever they are, especially after their copyright royalty has expired.
2) However they have already looked at the future (apparently) and seen that we don’t make a new religion out of it, but we can see that ourselves by our behaviour in the 21st century that that isn’t going to happen, so creating a new religion while a good hypothesis doesn’t fit the picture. The problem is we know too much today, much more than we ever did during those old times when the religions were formed, so it’s not going to be embraced in the same format or anything like that, and beside that is basically what Billy Meier is battling against if you read what he has written. We could also say they missed the boat with Christianity because now all the Christians are in government or closely allied to them and that should have been the more knowledgeable people reading about UFO’s from Billy Meier today.
3) Religions tend to form 200 years after yes, as we have agreed.
4) Its an ideal method to manage a world, yes we agreed
5) The sceptical individuals have gone one stage further and proposed that nothing exists except material things, another way in which today a new religion couldn’t occur.
6) There are well known facts by the Plejaren about how history occurs repeats reinvents repeats again etc.

Look have you read the ‘consciousness’ information? its much much easier to explain things if you have read that. We are so basic in our ‘consciousness’ that the Plejaren and the other groups are able to do many many things/liberties without us knowing about it, our civilization is too young.

[Simon Lehmen]

Biggest issue is navigating the information and finding anything. Well that doesn’t mean its not already there it just means that it hasn’t been found by an academic or scholar yet and presented by them.

Michael say’s junk like can you substantiate your claims while simultaneously not himself diving into the information to retrieve it, and how much progress have we made under his governing rule, shallow ephemeral progress, because his blog changes every day and never goes deep enough into the source texts. The really beefy knowledge is hidden inside the texts and the individual has to combine sections to form much wider conclusions. The Plejaren explain EVERYTHING, despite some claims that they don’t, so you can search through the data and see if your conspiratorial idea has already been explored already by someone else, very likely it has been we’ve explored everything, so you don’t feel special, its just that those things haven’t been presented in multimedia format by Michael Horn yet, so of course they think it’s a shallow silly story, we like our entertainment delivered in the hollywood format, simply isn’t going to happen in every walk of life, also not always going to be community we can lean on, they have money we don’t for start. So now move away from the schitay images and into the really conspiratorial intellectual knowledge that they have provided. If you’re going to make controversial conspiracies make really profound ones please, then check with what your idea is in the texts and then form really robust controversies that overlay reality. It seems I know like the idea you have is profound conspiracy, but its already been revealed probably, Its the same rule for you as it is for Billy Meier and the thousands of investigators, if it doesn’t feature in reality as a possibility then it’s for inside a hollywood fantasy, if its just not presented well then it needs the oxford/harvard presentation but that doesn’t matter either, it is still there.

Hidden in full view as the saying goes, no its just that it hasn’t all been examined yet.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/List_of_common_misconceptions
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Earth#The_Situation_of_Earth

These two links about misconceptions James has taken answers from the forums and other places and built a controversial base. For example did you know that Ptaah lived in Greece several hundred years ago? I didn’t.

Goblet of truth introduction
“The impression is given in the current time that many human beings could read
and write even in the old times – although this was of course not the case – but this fact is consistently hushed up nowadays. It is only in the new time, that started in 1844, that reading and writing became widespread throughout the people and the technology for duplicating and mass-producing books, texts, journals and newspapers etc. on a large scale. Also, it was only towards the end of the 20th Century that the means of electronic distribution of books and texts via computer and over the Internet developed to such an extent that everything could be easily spread all over Earth. All this had already been foreseen by Nokodemion and the Arahat Athersata level, which is why the whole thing was prepared and laid out so that the ‹Goblet of the Truth› shall be brought in its definitive form and full extent, and spread worldwide.”

Pseudo-cognition (Scheinerkenntnis) Goblet: 28:488
“…and not on the useless striving for pseudo-cognitions of the same kind…”

Goblet: 11:6
… also, you shall not cover yourselves with the garments of the untruth (lie) and never keep the truth secret, but rather reveal it because uprightness endures (lasts) over and beyond all untruth (lie), and any keeping secret of the truth brings harm upon you and people of your kind (human beings/fellow human beings).

Cognition (comprehension) (Erkenntnis (Verständnis)) Goblet: 19:102
“…therefore there shall not be either revenge nor retribution in you, but love, cognition (comprehension) of truth and forgiveness;…”

Goblet:
87) Truly, as far as technology is concerned, you human beings of Earth have made great progress; from the club to the atom bomb and from the wheelless cart to space rockets, you have pushed ahead with your progress, but in your inner nature, in your individuality, you have not developed greatly as an individual, as a human being, but have negatively changed yourselves even further, by means of which you have created the entire unhonest structure of the society throughout the world.
88) When you look at and consider the external social structure, then you see the result of your inner psychological structure as is given in your inner nature, i.e. in your individuality which you carry in you as an individual, as a human being, as the expression of your attitude, because as an individual you use the result of the entire practical experiences, of the entire knowledge and of all things in order to form your individual, i.e. natural behaviour, as you have done already since time immemorial, which is why you carry therewith the entire past in your inner nature, i.e. in your individuality.”

“380) Since those old times, you have made great progress only in the outer forms, in the technology, in the medicine and in your material achievements, whereas in your consciousness-development you continue to lag behind”

[Ed V.]

Simon, there’s nothing to suggest that Meier’s religious concept is the Original one. Do for example the Dead Sea Scrolls make any mention of “Creation?” To the best of my knowledge there is no historical evidence whatsoever that supports Meier’s religious narrative. The highest probability is that he simply invented his own. Right from the start in contact report 1 where he allegedly meets Semjase for the first time the text makes clear what the agenda is…
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_1
Can you see it? Firstly, the new religion, Creation, is mentioned. Secondly, the reader is advised that other people coming forward with stories of ET contact are almost exclusively false. Now why is the latter so important? What is Meier’s target audience? The UFO believers…
Now, who is the focal point next to “Creation?” It’s Billy Meier, the prophet throughout the ages, himself! So in this religion Meier is put on a pedestal, one of spiritual authority. Whenever worship, admiration and obedience is demanded without any proof or philosophical debate you’re on a false and potentially destructive path. Michael Horn knowingly or unknowingly follows the same agenda set out in contact report 1. He’s simply the High Priest of Meier’s religion.

[Simon Lehmen]

Which one? That we’re all ageing rapidly have a very low consciousness and most of us have only been able to read and write since the 19th century and humans from other worlds have known the long game and have been watching the rapid events? Do you mean hat religious idea?

Creation is a religious word, thats acceptable, it’s also acceptable not to care and avoid the terminology, same as anything else we want to avoid. If we are studying the case with a scientific temperament, then yes, if there are any true stories of humans from another world then they are not only going to be rare but incredibly even extremely rare. What’s more the Plejaren federation is managing the entire situation as you point out, the code of conduct and law for outer space has also been set out by them if you take enough time to read everything, so any ships coming in and out of the atmosphere is logged, it’s only when they examine their logs more closely do they then recognise there have been several cases, many of which historical. Are you aware of how many cases Billy Meier lists as authentic? Many. Billy would say thousands because that is what they have explained so I do not agree that he has somehow captured his only little market or something, because if you more carefully review the entire picture independently away from all the reporters, they have explained that 7 billion people is not only a lot of people it’s extreme, unmanageable, they cannot monitor everything with robust clarity at that volume, they’ve also authenticated not only many talkers and speakers they’ve authenticated other contactees they’ve also authenticated paranormal investigators, they’ve even authenticated the yeti people, they’ve authenticated in many ways ironically all the religious people because that’s normal in an evolution according to them, they’ve authenticated many myths and legends, there is apparently something called a skrillwesen that rapes disabled people in their sleep, and there is also some authentication of paedophiles, rapists, murderers on some level or another there’s also many other very grotty things, racism, sexism, bloodbaths massacres, derangements etc, many disturbing features of the case that’s never seen the light of day.

90% of the people on earth are religious, that is fact, just because we are not is irrelevant, they originally thought the photos would be printed ok and everything would run to plan, the whole thing was designed to RECONDITION religious people, that’s what it’s all about, it’s about offending in the right place and compliments and flattering their intellect in others, they felt they needed to help and that was the plan.

[Simon Lehmen]

My theory is that one time it’s written that NO other contacts have ever occurred, that is to ensnare all the career men for exactly what they are, because you see they react to that and give themselves up in that reaction. no no, the truth has always been that the texts have many accounts of humans from other worlds and many other things accounts and details of other contact cases. The tungustka event people for example contracted sexually transmitted diseases. There has been a lot of sex between species if the Plejaren gave statistics about it there would probably be some shock.

[Ed V.]

Reconditioning religous oriented UFO believers is absolutely right but do you even wonder you’re giving support to a fraud, a false prophet? Meier went to prison, deserted from the French Army, got expelled from India, proposed to an underaged girl, beat her up when married and even molested his kid who has childhood traumas till this day. Now is this the life-path of a spiritual prophet or of a criminal megalomaniac?
And this is why he has no tolerance for any spiritual or ufo related material outside his own. He is a pathological narcissist with delusions of grandeur! He is incapable of treating others with respect in the realm of belief systems. Likewise in ufology. That’s not the hallmark of a great spritual philospher. When there’s no empathy, no attempt at outreach of logic or reason, than you’re simply dealing with a psychopath…

[Simon Lehmen]

I think your wrong about him but not in the way you think I mean, to me, he is afraid of criticism. His behaviour to me indicates that indeed at an early age someone gave him more answers than he possibly needed and it established a level of psychopathy in him which he unravelled.

Scientists don’t have respect for belief systems Ed. We wouldn’t be able to speak here across continents if the religiose thinking-police were in charge.

99% of ufology is cgi and delusional stories from individuals with barely a high school education. The best reports come from pilots because they’re sharp and savvy, but no one shouts about their reports because they are too normal to be entertaining.

Those criminal behavioural mentalities and sensibilities are in the past and they will be forever an embarrassment to the Plejaren Federation for the next several thousand years (assuming they exist but I don’t need Meier to know that)

Ultimately Ed he of all the telepathic conversational individuals in the world has provided the most detail, I would have gone with joel bloggs for all I cared providing what the individual had to say was properly and deeply grounded in reality and not is bs, large difference and it is clear to any savvy reader that Meier at the very least is offering sincerity, I suppose the fact we know about his prison time even helps his story actually.

These many reasons and many more is why I am giving support to a fraud. Because he’s as far as I am concerned the only individual in the world who makes sense on any subject providing we combine his texts together on each subject by subject. no other has even come close to me and for my tastes.

[Simon Lehmen]

I think we both at a minimum can agree that there is at least some evidence in the whole world (even if it doesn’t originate with Meier, what you want me to say right) that there is some basis for UFO’s in reality and that the governments silence about it for so long forms part of that evidence. However only because we need only a tiny scrap of evidence for the whole thing to blow wide open and be real.

I tend to look where the communities and the money are to know where some evidence for something must have been found. Yeti community, Ghost paranormal communities, UFO communities, hollywoods hallucination making community shows that they must have discovered something, well we have myths and legends, television, telephone, science I suppose and a bunch of pilots saying they saw a UFO but what do they know they only spend their entire careers looking at sky for crying out loud. mystics, psychics, clairvoyants, cold readers, witches, magicians who make illusions, and a bunch of other historical schid.

Point is no community ever just appears out of nothing for no apparent reason at all, that is illogical real illogical ideas. But what we can be sure of is that many many stupid people are in the world which is why we’re racist, sexist and territorial and like wars and have many hideous punishments because stupid people are a real phenomenon, so we do have fake cgi UFO stories we do have frauds and do have fake individuals. If Meier had not explained that someone else faked his photos someone by now would have stormed round to his house and smacked him around like meat, because it’s irresponsible, and he knows that, and he has even denounced it himself, but he reveres the Plejaren, this has been revealed by that situation, it’s clear to me that all the way through it he has had the Plejaren talking him through every step. sorry its what I see in it. It says a lot about their planning too which they have all spoken extensively about.

[Olga Elrund]

Hello Everyone,

Michael has released a new book called ‘Future Self’ it is probably a good read, but its difficult for me to justify myself saying that now after what happened.

with the description of:

“The Time Traveler’s Interactive Guide – Becoming Who You Want to Be”

I thought it might be something to do with John Titor or a psychological analysis, however remembering we haven’t discovered time travel and the Plejari said psychology means nothing to them, that this is just a book, some paper with text on it, actually just an ebook so not even that, I thought it probably a fantasy fiction book, after reading the reviews on Amazon for his documentary video 1 star ratings questioning how such low production values good even been accepted by Amazon, I thought I better get a good review before spending some time with it, so I questioned him about it.

Olga (Comment on his blog)
“Can someone please post a try before you buy paragraph describing what on earth michael wrote in the book a paragraph of text describing it so we don’t have to pay anything and then demand our money back later, embarrass him and later still claim he’s a con later maybe even approach the trading standards authority or tell FIGU that he’s ripped off their spiritual dogmas and reinvented them and embarrass their organisation too.”

I asked it this way so there would be no ambiguity about what I was asking. This is the response I got back.

MH (Comment on his blog)
“Olga”,

Please don’t trouble yourself. I’m not interested in selling you the ebook. Since there’s no refunds, I suggest you don’t order it under any other names, etc.

BTW, since you haven’t read the book, you wouldn’t know it’s contents.

He blocked me for asking and has deleted all my emails.
Am I not vulnerable enough for you Michael?
No refunds? Good job I originally anticipated in my comment to you that it was easier you were just upfront with me then. Why did I have to ask, why were you not just honest from the outset. Your the one trading not any of us.
He requires me to give my name when buying too? Is it ok that I gift it to someone else or do you want their name too? What about if they pass it on in a few years, you want their name too?
What if I buy it used on ebay later? does it even matter if you don’t want to personally sell it to me?

BTW, since you haven’t read the book, you wouldn’t know it’s contents.

Yeah that’s the point of reading something, so that someone knows its contents afterwards, but can you just outline what’s inside.

Then later he wrote what I was asking for, to someone entirely different as if I didn’t even matter to him.

MH (Comment on his blog)
This should summarize the book somewhat:

Future Self is the ultimate self-analytical, therapeutic, goal-setting process that is completely under your control. It engages and draws upon your own innate wisdom, using today’s digital technology in a revolutionary new, truly interactive way.

Well I say he eventually did, but didn’t actually.
1) If its ‘ultimate’ then I’ll buy it from a retailer
2) If its recording your own voice then why didn’t you just tell us that?
3) Have you ever been approached by a multi-media professional, your book doesn’t say that’s what it’s about, that’s not effective advertising.

BTW I have been paid by Michael Horn to rant about his blog and new book to advertise it. Thank you for reading.

[Ed V.]

Hey Olga. I recall reading years ago from his bio that Michael Horn had made a video called “sit and get fit.” How you can get fit by sitting on a chair and flopping your arms around is beyond me, but it’s typical of the type of modern ‘alien snake oil’ he’s selling.

[Ed V.]

Simon, I see in you the same quality I see in every Meier acolyte. You’re willing to give Billy Meier an enormous amount of slack and every excuse Meier comes up with is somehow plausible. Would you give it to someone else? If not, ask yourself why not..

Perhaps it has something to do with this;
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Nokodemion#Common_misconceptions

Each universe brings forth a universal prophet who is repeatedly materializing again as a human being in order to help the various humankinds speeding up evolution. That’s a normal occurrence

Ah yes, he’s a universal prophet. One that hides out on a farm in a Swiss rural area with a few of his followers. One that never goes out to do speeches or lectures abroad and somehow expects the world will fall in line with the second coming..

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