Past the hoax and Past the real

[Simon Lehmen]

This topic is about discussing the value of either situation.
1) If it was all hoaxed then what, why?
2) If it was all genuine with the mistakes pointed out, then what, why?

What have been the gains either way.

1) If it was hoaxed then: regarding the wealth argument why if he has already identified financial schemes which could have made him wealthy, especially living in the Zurich region of all places. Why did he bother to spend money on tractors and farming equipment. With so much negativity directed towards him why has it been kept up as long as it has been and what kind of life is he leading with all these weird ufology researchers approaching him everyday. The assassination attempts, why continue? etc etc

2) If it is genuine then this mantra meditation ritual thing that they do which they call the peace meditation. What value is that? and if there is value to it why doesn’t other businesses do it, why doesn’t McDonald’s (example of international company) have a mantra ceremony before the working day etc. And what then do they think of business? What is their policy of profit and what do they believe about the necessity for a business to generate a profit. What would the world look like exactly if the world was administrated by the Plejaren and Billy Meier’s organisational structure?. Would we have to pretend things to gain employment, how would the recruitment system work?

[Simon Lehman]

Billy Meier has claimed he works closely with the founders of Islam and has said that his colleagues have a lifespan of around 1500 years so have overseen the entire operation. He’s even claimed that they founded the Roman Catholics which later gave them the might to conquer Europe and even had a hand in the founding organisations later responsible for the persecution of the Jews. They’ve claimed links to Hitler and the Nazi party and claimed they had a hand in the original establishment of nations all over the world. They’ve claimed the mother and father of Adam and Eve were individuals among their organisation, abandoned children. They say that the plan for the European Union was actually their idea not the founders idea, that the Plejaren and another gentlemen similar to Billy Meier 13 thousand years ago had the idea, they even made sure their language, German, would be preserved by establishing Germany itself. They claim that the Jews knowingly stole their land and this was necessary so that they could get all their religions in. They claim they are not responsible for any of these things but that’s like the CEO of McDonalds saying he is not responsible for the ingredients in their mainly promoted meal. Billy Meiers colleagues, the people that are sometimes said to be made up by him, so he hallucinates that is what you mean.

[Owen Truthmarrion]

Are you there Simon Loughlin? I couldn’t login its ok now.

[Owen Truthmarrion]

Do you know if the FIGU is running any public events this year that NO one is invited to, or?

[Ed V.]

Simon, there might be a third option. At one point in time he did have some kind of contact but that stopped and Meier started embellishing and making up stories from there on. Fpr me personally when I discovered that Meier’s WCUFO has the base of a Harcostar drum lid at that point in time (and there after) nothing is real…

[Simon Lehmen]

That’s interesting Ed. The so called ‘third way’, I will investigate. I heard he had at least 1 contact with extraterrestrials per month this year and last year, 2016 and 2017, last time I checked we’re not in 1980, 1974 or 1996 anymore, at least 12 per year, probably more in the Swiss summer lets assume. I saw the dustbin lid and all the other photos that look like bad long exposure effects and experiments. He also has a workshop built into the middle of his house not in the normal place most men have a workshop in the garage or end of garden, so this is a sign again as much that his life has been built around the hoax centrally in his home, centrally in his life.

There are other private reports that rarely emerge because the witnesses don’t bother telling anyone until they are asked. That they have seen UFOs on their visit and not bothered to report it, other stories of paranormal events like strange electromagnetic effects in the environment and invisible mesh looking movements like a Harry potter cloak of invisibility which were not reported because usually those attracted to Billy Meier are already weird and let’s be honest that is expected, they don’t bother to report things because to them it’s normal and think that it’s normal to others too and it’s not.

There is more than a dustbin trashcan lid and long exposure images if you get into the community sincerely and ask people honestly. They’re afraid of telling others too because they’ve seen so many slandered for it.

[Simon Lehmen]

The third way then in summary is it being real but for some reason been embellished unnecessarily. We could theorise the rationale for this something with bringing the community out of their shell, provoking controversy because it would not have been picked up as a good story if not, and something about teaching us the difference between real and hoax by actual example in the real life.

FIGU contends this and says something about MIB and fraudsters destroying it because they don’t want us to know. This idea of “don’t want us to know” is incredibly popular, we could monetize the entire Meier archive under that. However FIGU have gone for a don’t bother doing much of anything and leave it to horn, approach. So some of these ideas don’t hold water if you see what I am saying.

[Simon Lehmen]

A “Past the real” scenario is theres no one in any government or military who knows about it. There is. No there is not, they will never dare to reveal what they’ve been studying secretly and if they do or have they have only used the information to create a worse situation for others, so that is as good as not knowing for the example of “what’s the purpose of what the extraterrestrials, nokodemjon and high council are trying to create”. All they have really told us in total is that the world will have to end in its current form, because of those facts.

[Owen Truthmarrion]

Have you ever read wendell stevens or watched him on YouTube, you remind me of him. Wendell Stevens is the best investigator of Billy Meier so far, probably won’t be another because FIGU decided never to communicate ever again after they were threatened by the black fabric dudes, the touching cloth, black cloth men, in black with cotton on them which is black.

[Ramirez Lettermen]

Scientists in the Swiss city of Basel have solved a decades-old mystery over the identity of a mummified woman.

Their research revealed a surprise: the woman is the great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandmother of UK Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson.

Imagine if Boris Johnson were a black women?

If Johnson were a black woman he would not have gone to Eton. Eton doesn’t allow women. But even if it did, since black women are far more likely to be working class than most, they would be far less likely to go to Eton than most. And if Johnson had not gone to Eton but an inner-city state school, which is where most black women are educated, he would have been far, far less likely to go to the University of Oxford. 

Nearly one in three Oxford colleges failed to admit a single black British A-level student in 2015. For a black British woman to get a place in 1983, when Johnson started at Oxford, she would have had to have been extraordinary. (There are more former presidents of the Oxford Union, Johnson included, than there are minorities in cabinet.) 

And even if Johnson had been that extraordinary, when he got to Oxford he would not have been able to join the Bullingdon Club – the dining club notorious for its vandalism, where lifelong connections to sustain his political career were made – because it was male-only. 

If Johnson were a black woman he would not have got an internship at the Times thanks to a family connection because, as a black woman, he’d almost certainly have no family connection at the Times (or any national newspaper) who could have made that happen in the late 80s. 

And after Johnson was fired from that internship for making up quotes, he would not have been given a job with the Telegraph’s leader-writing team.

First of all, because black women are not generally indulged with second chances like that. Their successes are understood individually (“she’s one of a kind”) but their failures are misunderstood collectively (“they’re just not up to it”). A transgression of that nature would be followed by much handwringing about affirmative action and “politically correct appointments”. 

But secondly because it’s unlikely there’s ever been a black woman on the Telegraph leader-writing team. Similarly he would not have been able to write a column for the Telegraph because there isn’t a black political columnist, male or female, on the Telegraph newspaper and, to my knowledge, there never has been. (The Telegraph did not respond to inquiries.) 

And if, as a black woman, Johnson did occupy such a space, he would not be able to use it to write about men the way he has written about women.

In 1996, Johnson went to the Labour party conference to survey the “hot totty” on his “Tottymeter”. Some years later, when quitting editorship of the Spectator, he advised his successor to “pat [the magazine’s publisher] on the bottom and send her on her way” if she came up with any circulation-boosting suggestions. 

Nor would a black woman have been able to write about white people the way Johnson has written about black people. 

In a Telegraph column in 2002, he claimed the Queen enjoyed being greeted on Commonwealth tours by “flag-waving piccaninnies” and “watermelon smiles”. Only when he was running for London mayor, six years later, did he apologise. Black women do not get to denigrate men or white people in this way while advancing through the political ranks. 

If Johnson were a black woman he would not have become popularly known as the boisterous panellist on the current affairs comedy quiz Have I Got News For You, because over the past 15 years you could count the number of black women who appeared on the show on one hand. (I know of Diane Abbott and Moira Stuart but beyond that the BBC, like the Telegraph on its leader writers, did not have available figures.) 

If Johnson were a black woman, the complications in his personal life (three affairs and one love child, and on his second marriage) would not be considered a personal matter, as they should be. 

Johnson was dismissed as shadow arts spokesman in 2004 after revelations about one affair; but that was because he allegedly misled the Tory leader Michael Howard about it. Three years later he was back, as the Tory candidate for London mayor.

Female politicians at this level do not get to ride out infidelity. And given the stereotypes about black female sexuality, they would be automatically career-ending.

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