Billy Meier vs other Contactees

[Ed V.]

One of the first things that caught my attention while researching the Meier case was the treatment of other “contactees” in the contact reports. Having researched a number of contactee cases I realized that some are supported by photographs, films and eyewitness testimonies. I’m not claiming every aspect is true but for some elements in the contactee phenomenon there’s actually some supporting evidence and worth investigating. The highly unusual aspect of the Meier case is that it tries to debunk and discredit those other Contactees at an alarming rate. Practically every high profile case gets dismissed or distorted by Meier, leaving his own information as the sole and correct source of alleged UFO&ET matters. After much contemplation I’ve come to the conclusion that Meier does this deliberately. It’s simply part of his agenda if you will. He can’t tolerate any competition. But lets go to Meier’s contact reports.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_1
Semjase’s Explanations
1. For some time now we have had the urge to contact a human being on Earth who sincerely and concretely wants to help us in our mission.
2. We have often tried to do this before, but the selected human beings were neither knowledgeable nor willing enough, and often lacked sincerity and loyalty as well.
3. But those we could have selected for our endeavours were afraid and remained silent about our coming.
4. They insisted they would be accused of being insane and of lying, and that attempts to harm them might be made through official and foolish human intrigues.
5. Instead, many boastful individuals have appeared who claim to have contact with us and even to have flown in our beamships.
6. But they are nothing but charlatans and frauds who sun themselves in dubious glory and want to profit from it.

So, here we have the first contact report and after a brief introduction Semjase immediately aims her sight at ‘the other contactees!’ Hardly a coincedence considering this is the first offical publication of an alleged contact between an Earth man and alien woman. The world’s problems aren’t discussed. No, alleged false ET contacts and the belief system of Meier and the Pleiadians/Plejarens are the first two things forwarded! Lets go to the second contact note.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_2
Billy
Well, okay, now please tell me one thing: You already have spoken several times of frauds and charlatans who have gone public with their fantastic UFO contact tales, and continue to do so. Can you give me some names?
Semjase
57. Absolutely, but you know most of them by name.
Billy
Nevertheless, please give me at least a few.
Semjase
58. As you wish—with whom should I begin?
Billy
First of all, I would be interested to know about Kenneth Arnold. Am I correct that he was not a fraud?
Semjase
59. Certainly, this man was no fraud, for he really had seen our beamships.
60. Many other pilots have encountered our beamships or alien ones as well.
61. The greatest fraud, however, was the man who called himself Karl Michalek.
62. And on the same level was the man who became world-famous by the name of George Adamski.
63. His so-called colleagues or friends belong in the same category also.
64. This means those around him who pretended having had contact with us.
65. Other names are lesser known, but are of a certain importance because they are frauds: Harushi Tsukamoto, Jerrold Baker, R. O. Schmidt, C. A. Anderson, Angelucci, and many, many more.

After some ego-boosting and flattery comments towards Meier the discredit campaign goes into full swing and people are named. The second alleged offcial ET communication and again humanities problems aren’t discussed, no it’s those pesky other contactees who seemingly ruin everything. Lets view some other contact reports.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_39
Billy:
It’s alright, Semjase, it’s actually also our fault; we sometimes just don’t think far enough. It probably would have been better if I had tried to get all names of UFO contactees, in order, then, to ask you about the genuineness of the names. In particular, you did, indeed, tell me that Adamski was not a contactee, as well as not Michalek or the South African, Elizabeth Klarer. But recently, I’ve heard of another name, a certain Menkger or Menger or something like that. What about this one?
Semjase:
150. Menger – he is not a contactee.
151. His statements and remarks correspond to a deliberate product of his imagination.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_249
Billy:
What is behind this: Quetzal and Semjase explained to me once that Dan Fry, an American, actually did have contact with extraterrestrials. He is said to have taken photos as well, but he later destroyed them; somebody made forgeries of them and attributed them to Fry. This is supposed to be the reason why none of Dan Fry’s real photos of alien flying objects exist any longer. Even the story about the origin of the extraterrestrials and their accounts was apparently thoroughly distorted. This is what Quetzal told me, but it never appeared in any contact report.
Ptaah:
That is exactly what happened.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_251
Billy:
Naturally. – But I still have a question: Is it not possible that some things you just mentioned may be responsible for claims made by Ed Walters in America, who also offers photos?
Ptaah:
He is a swindler and a fraud, and his photos are counterfeit. This is an established fact.

Billy:
Thank you. Another question: For his book Geheimsache UFO … (Secret Matter UFO …), Michael Hesemann used a cover photo, taken by a certain Amaury Rivera, that shows an American Air Force F-14 interceptor and a UFO over Puerto Rico. Do you know anything about this?
Ptaah:
Certainly. There is no doubt that trick photography was used with models suspended with fishing lines. We checked into this matter as thoroughly as we did with Ed Walters, whose photos also utilized trick photography. Michael Hesemann is an enthusiastic ufologist but he is, in this respect extremely, almost irresponsibly, gullible. He allows himself to be unusually easily tricked and deceived, and he erroneously believes that he is of extraterrestrial origin. As our very profound investigations have shown, he is a purely Earth-created individual and this may, in part, be the reason for his UFO enthusiasm and the fact that he is so easily deceived.

Billy:
Carlos Diaz, a purported contactee, what do you think of him?
Ptaah:
You pose an illogical question, for I already explained that no human beings on Earth maintain any contacts with extraterrestrial intelligences. Therefore he is a liar, fraud and cheat

As you can see the contact reports are full of dismissive comments directed at other alleged ET contact cases. The ultimate irony here is that Billy Meier is a debunker himself. He’s also quite knowledgable of other UFO/ET cases and it’s no secret he had an interest in the subject before he went public with his own stories. He was part of a UFO group and very telling is that Meier visited George Adamski while he lectured in Switzerland. For me the conclusion is simple; Meier attacks other contactees deliberately in order to bolster his own case.

[Ed V.]

Meier’s statements about contactees can also take a strange turn. Take for example the story of Dan Fry;

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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_249
Billy:
What is behind this: Quetzal and Semjase explained to me once that Dan Fry, an American, actually did have contact with extraterrestrials. He is said to have taken photos as well, but he later destroyed them; somebody made forgeries of them and attributed them to Fry. This is supposed to be the reason why none of Dan Fry’s real photos of alien flying objects exist any longer. Even the story about the origin of the extraterrestrials and their accounts was apparently thoroughly distorted. This is what Quetzal told me, but it never appeared in any contact report.
Ptaah:
That is exactly what happened.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_424
Ptaah:
…..The Gizeh Intelligences transposed via teleprojection apparent realities with visionary experiences into a few others, like Dan Fry and Schmidt etc., who then considered these as reality…

So according to Meier’s information first Dan Fry’s case was real yet distorted but later on apparently completely false even though Ptaah seemed pretty sure about himself the first time. Lets take a look at the comments on Kenneth Arnold.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_2
Billy:
First of all, I would be interested to know about Kenneth Arnold. Am I correct that he was not a fraud?
Semjase:
59. Certainly, this man was no fraud, for he really had seen our beamships.
60. Many other pilots have encountered our beamships or alien ones as well.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_424
Ptaah:
In respect to Kenneth Arnold we have found out through our three-year investigations that he did not observe any extraterrestrial flying objects but secret US test flights of one-winged aircraft.

As you can see stories change and are somewhat contradictory. First Semjase spoke positively about Kenneth Arnold’s sighting being ET spaceships but later on the story changed to classified U.S. airplanes whose speed (clocked by Arnold) hasn’t been replicated since. If the Plejarens are real they seem to be somewhat overconfident in their statements..

[Ed V.]

Here’s Meier’s story changing regarding the Betty&Barney Hill case.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_37
Meier:
Oh yes, even if I don’t understand the chemical things, your explanation does inform me. But what has happened in the year 1961? This matter is somewhat unknown to me.
Semjase:
Of this i can say: It happened on the 19th of September, in the mountains of New Hampshire in the USA, during the night, when two Earth human beings, by the name of Betty Hill and Barney Hill, a married couple, met with a spaceship of extraterrestrial origin. By oscillation-paralyzers used by the intelligences, their vehicle, an auto, was placed out of function and forced to stop. At the same time both of them were put into a deep hypnosis by telenotical forces. By that their consciousness was paralyzed, by which their conscious recollection was blocked. This I have explained to you before. The purpose of that proceeding by the intelligences was no ill behavior, because their data gathering was only in exploring the Earth human form of life. So they took possession of both Earth human beings for a time of 127 minutes, brought them into their spaceship, and subjected them very thoroughly to their examinations and analyses, while they also took different specimens from both, such as some drops of blood, male sperm, hairs, saliva, finger nails and skin. They took as well, specimens from the shoes and clothing, and from other things too, which were of importance for the analysis of those intelligences. Everything was very carefully examined by them and was recorded radio-photographically.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_424
Billy:
Aha. – Then, another question regarding the flights of extraterrestrial spaceships in earth’s air space that numbered 3000 per year according to you. Must one assume that these spaceships only belong to you or your federation? In this regard you have never given an explanation. And what was with Kenneth Arnold, who in the 1940s saw several UFOs while flying in his private airplane, and what about Betty and Barney Hill who were allegedly abducted by aliens, like many others who have talked about contacts and abductions as well as medical examinations etc. while under hypnosis?
Ptaah:…What has to be said in respect to the married couple Hill, and all other persons who were allegedly abducted or even medically harmed, or who supposedly had implants implanted, and who under hypnosis exposed these occurrences is, that these occurrences have never happened, and are nothing but illusions, imagination, delusions and deliberate lies, as well as also schizophrenic illusionary products and disturbances of consciousness brought forth through the interference of electromagnetic fields of the earth, through which unrealities, unreal happenings as well as unreal memories and unreal experiences are caused, but also unreal pain, fear and unreal perceptions and so forth……

Once again the verdict completely changes from truthful to false while ‘the Plejarens’ seemed pretty sure of themselves. Semjase concluded the Betty&Barney Hill case was real as presented while years later her father Ptaah completely discredits the case. Remarkable since Meier wrote one time that the Plejarens didn’t lie. Researching the contact reports one analysis of the Plejarens seems to be completely false…

[Ed V.]

Billy Meier seems to hate one person in ufology more than everyone else. And that is George Adamski, more or less the first person to reach a large audience with his story of meeting extraterrestrials. As mentioned in previous posts Billy Meier wastes no time attacking Adamski in his contact reports and starts naming him in his second publication. The following website had run a translation through Google of a German article made by ex-FIGU member Hans-Georg Lanzendorfer. I patched it up a little to make it more readable. What follows are a few excerpts.

https://creationaltruth.org/FIGU/FIGUSociety/Critics/GeorgeAdamski.aspx

Semjase:
“In the previous weeks various people have undertaken considerable effort in moving the deceiver Adamski still as a hero in the light of the public eye and to hold him up as the actual father of the UFO-contacts. Fundamental were his closest friends as witnesses who stated and swore in an affidavit that they have seen and experienced different things with Adamski. These witnesses however unconsciously fell prey to lies and maintain things that do not correspond with the truth. George Adamski had suggestively influenced his friends and acquaintances to such an extent that they saw and experienced things which did not exist. Only very few human beings were aware that Adamski commanded strong suggestive powers, which is why they feared him and kept silent about it. However that he was a phenomenal suggestor was completely unknown, he naturally protected this secret to favor himself. Through his extraordinarily high suggestive power he influenced his friends and acquaintances and led them to believe the most fantastic things, which they then also solemnly testified as the `truth’. His peers are many and they shun no means, in order to make profit.”

The interesting part of this excerpt is how Meier deals with eyewitnesses of the Adamski case. Although often portrayed as a hoaxer George Adamski actually had eyewitnesses that supported some of his claims. Some even signed an affidavit. How does Meier tackle this conundrum? He claims Adamski had some sort of power of suggestion (hypnosis) over his friends so that they saw things that weren’t there/ This is how Billy Meier tries to debunk Adamski. Completely outrageous. This is something a desperate con artist comes up with. Meier goes even further.

Billy:
You know however that I already occasionally talked of him. Furthermore, I know him personally as he was in the community center of Zurich in May 1959. I had at that time not really gained a good impression of him, although I had an interpreter talk with him because at the time I was not yet mighty with the English language. I saw however firmly that the man was dominatingly and monstrously obstinate and to me appearing to have an unusual great egoism, that however was hidden through a nearly perfectly played friendship and love for the next one. I found that the man possessed an extraordinary ability of persuasion and suggestion and that he always knew how to put himself in the center of attention. Clearly visible was that he had fallen prey to an ideal, to play helpful for the suppressed ones but to favor himself. It also appeared to me that the fighting against injustice by him only was pretention in order to put himself into the focal point. It appeared to me, that in first and last place for him only his own needs were always predominant, and from the big toe up until to the last hair tips. I had at that time the impression that he was only and always for his own benefit, that he guided a monstrous fantasy and power of suggestion in the highest way…..

Of great significance is Meier’s admission that he visited Adamski in 1959. However, the excerpt above is nothing short of character assassination. Even though Meier had another person translating his questions he reaches an enormous negative and slanderous verdict on Adamski. This speaks more about Meier than Adamski. As shown above in other posts Meier is a debunker himself, he discredits others in ufology. Basically everyone that went public. Yet he puts in the extra effort to debunk Adamski. Why? I think the truth can be found in Meier’s plagiarizing;

Billy Meier: The Plagiarizer Extraordinaire!

This seems to be a recurring factor throughout the Meier case. Billy Meier takes an original, copies the original while inserting alterations to his liking. Than he discredits the original while claiming to be the original source himself. It should come as no surprise that Billy Meier spend years in prison. That he escaped from prison and joined the French Foreign Legion only to desert from it. Meier was even expelled from India. All these matters point to Meier being shameless con artist.

[mahigitam]

Very interesting points Ed. What do you think is the reason for Plejaren/Meier flip-flopping on the alleged UFO-contactee stories?

[Ed V.]

Well, if the Plejarens are real they seem to make an awful lot of mistakes. What’s more likely in my opinion is that Meier can’t help himself elevating himself by dismissing others. I looked at the Meier case for years and the irony is that when a person relays an enormous amount of information you can see the character behind it. When Meier claims to be a highly evolved spirit and the only genuine source of UFO&ET information while dismissing everyone else this points to a narcissistic mind. He wants and needs to feel superior over everyone else. That’s why stories change, always in favor of or in line with Meier’s assumed greatness…

[Ed V.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

[Owen Truthmarrion]

Another area I noticed about this case is that Billy Meier and some of the members of the SSSC KG are so-called TI’s Targeted Individuals, in an open way, it’s normal that these types of individuals would be that, but not normal that this is openly observed and over a great length of time, the intellectual conversation about it is open and accepted and what’s more they know how and when to deal with it, which in itself is rare, it’s rare even for a TI to know some of the intellectual framework much less be a quite large group of them from all over the world. The SSSC has itself been spied on locally from various vantage points and still to this day individuals will drive upto or pass the property or through it or visit the local sites and inspect members far away from the SSSC. The interesting thing I think is the level of detail provided about the various extraterrestrial races that do it and the mentality to look out for of the earth individuals that do it. It is not like the paranoid strange explanations that can be obtained from YouTube, it is almost like they receive a training with how to deal with it.

[Owen Truthmarrion]

Whether true or not you argue a lot about that here, fine, what is still happening is a real story with many involved individuals from all over the world who visit the year around. The visitor IP information of the FIGU website itself is the most interesting part of the case, how it’s so silent yet obsessively sought privately from clearly smart quiet people is an interesting reality of it.

[Owen Truthmarrion]

They just wanted to ensure that they were on the menu to ufologists and interested individuals around the world on the internet, for the sake of economic diversity Ed, that they were not going to be drowned out entirely by all the hogwash fantasy rich story tellers. They have been drowned out by YouTube, it’s amazing even that your even here discussing it on this website still today. But luckily they managed to get those Swiss hills into the official x-files poster and that was all that mattered to them, they just were coming from a place that was fed up of religious dogmas and wanted to make sure ufology was going to be an attractive subject for its diversity. They therefore highlighted as you say other cases, and then dismissed them as stemming from absolute idiots. They have be fair to it Ed made entirely new contactees cases no one ever even knew about before like the Easter island head makers and the Tunguska event people, so they are certainly not anti competition are they why you believe it’s about defeating the competition instead of shaking people into more rich intellectual seams of knowledge I don’t know why you do that. If people are stupid then fine, if they are not then fine, we certainly don’t want to mask, wool, garment or cover the truth of what it is for the sake of what it is do we.

[Ed V.]

Owen, if that is your real name although I get the impression one person on this forum is using many aliases. For me it simply revolves around the following. Having looked into contactee cases I noticed that some contactee cases are backed up by eyewitnesses, photographs or films that were investigated and authenticated by experts in those fields. A lot of testimony can even be found on YouTube. Writers such as Timothy Good and Bill Hamilton also took it upon themselves to interview contactees and eyewitnesses and report their findings in their books. Not many Billy Meier supporters seem to know this but before Meier there’s a whole different ‘chapter’ in ufology.

Now, what happens in Meier’s contact reports? Practically all of the high profile contactee cases prior or during the Meier era get debunked, downplayed or dismissed. Meier claims others used models and wires. 😉 He even went as far as claiming eyewitnesses in other cases were seeing things that weren’t there because they were under some kind of hypnotic suggestion. This is complete B.S. This website shows that it was Meier who tried to con people in a serie of photographs into believing that a beamship was over their heads! Talk about psychological projection Owen..
Nonetheless, isn’t an eyewitness an eyewitness? I can accept an honest eyewitness report in the Meier case or in any other case. It brings us closer to finding the truth in the UFO phenomenon. I brought this up years ago on the FIGU forum and you know what happened? People like Michael Horn simply couldn’t objectively analize or accept other contactee cases besides Meier’s. Suddenly an eyewitness report, photograph or film authenticated by experts wasn’t good enough. Why? Meier claimed otherwise and he’s the authority in their minds while he blinds their hypocrisy and obliterates their objective intellect. That’s what happens with fanatical idolization, Owen…

[Owen Truthmarrion]

My first name is Owen I am not going to reveal my family name but it sounds like Marrion if you say it differently so you are talking to me. Who do you mean? Do you mean Desmond and Darius? I spoke to Darius in the mid 90’s have never heard of Desmond maybe hes a millennial.

I hear your point and it’s a good one. There was a chapter before Meier, and there is always a training environment which can be found left over from the previous generation which becomes hidden and forgotten because of the principle of standing on the shoulders of giants. Everything you say makes sense, honestly I was only interested in what they had to say about ancient Greece and Plato after someone told me about that story and then I read about all the other things.

Have you been to the herbal retreat? Billy Meiers Merlinesque Swiss ranch?

I went in 2006, It is mostly normal there if you go there not knowing any of the back story. See I read about Plato not caring what he had to say about the back story, that’s how selfish and self centred I am, a good thing maybe, so when I went there I didn’t know about all the bs that had gone on in the past.

[Ed V.]

No, never been to Meier’s place. I did order booklets from them in the 90s. Don’t think I’ll enjoy myself there since I already have philosophical disagreements with them. In a conversation those disagreements would quickly arise. It has so previously when I discussed matters (over the internet) with Michael Horn and Christian Frehner some years ago.

Did you experience something out of the ordinary when you were over there? When was the last UFO sighting at FIGU? Ever considered wanting to have a sighting yourself?

[Owen Truthmarrion]

Nothing out of the ordinary at all and I have no idea when the last sighting at FIGU was, presumably the last time was in the 80’s before they scared everyone off, when they were making their VHS movies to sell at their paid entry stage talks. I not fussed about my own personal sighting and I have never seen something myself, I have but its turned out to be a regular aircraft, the sound gave it away.

Tell us about the disagreements you had with them. I have spoken to many people over the internet and they all seem to have different types of disagreements with them, from different perspectives, some don’t like the religious aspect which I sympathise with, some hate it because they are religious, understandable, some just find it annoying because they already don’t like religion ideas. Some of them have not liked the photos, I sympathise with that too, I dont like most of the photos either. Others have not liked the organisational structure and have described it as wrong, the P’s themselves (if its Meier talking to himself then that is interesting) explained that the FIGU organisation is a wrong hierarchy. I left it alone for about a decade and when I came back to reading it in 2013 there was things like a facebook group and a wikipedia for the contact reports with many new forums. There is enough individuals that know about the story I think that by now it could have been officially presented by FIGU themselves like a national geographic presentation but instead they seem, could be wrong, gone for Achim Wolf and his scoops of news media which somehow correlate to the original “changing of the times” to now, which demonstrate the gradual changing toward the time where their prophecies about the biological chip mark of the beast dictatorship prophecy are seen to be adding up. My disagreement is that they should have shown more appreciation for people and encouraged them instead of blasting them away. It shows I suppose that none of those people were worthy of them and were not what they were looking for, with a diamond in the rough we must shine it up, it doesn’t shine itself, what it does do is position itself to be found, if we just treat it with the equality of the rough then it will never be a diamond. It has all made me wonder why they bothered in some ways but they never wanted to manage it, the fake photos proves they never wanted to manage their reputation. I have left all of those concerns now.

So tell us about your disagreement with them?

[Owen Truthmarrion]

I bought the Randy Winters tape set in the mid 90’s and met some people and in 1996 with dial-up internet found some obscure website which presented some of the contacts, I left it alone in about 2002-2003 then visited in 2006 randomly then didn’t read again until 2012-2013, then skipped 2015-2016 and I am probably going to leave it entirely this time. I was passing through Switzerland, I phoned ahead of the visit but didnt’t give that 2 weeks notice they like to have which made them angry I think, but I have read comments from others on facebook about their lack of knowledge of the hospitality industry, I suppose they think to themselves that people outside FIGU think their lack of knowledge of hospitality proves that they are not interested in monopolising the story, no it it demonstrates FIGU insiders think that everyone else in the world is stupid even when they are smart enough to work out.

My main disagreement with it all is they’ve never demonstrated they’ve known a commercial level of knowing something if you get me? In any subject? so know essentially nothing, only small knowledge in many subjects. They’ve written about history evolution religion many other things, however have never presented a commercial level of exhaustingly knowing at a university professor level of knowing something, so know nothing. They don’t know about hospitality, ok, they can shut up about that subject then, they know something about evolution? ok so now make it compete with our top experts to demonstrate FIGU knows something about that subject, and they don’t and havn’t in all these decades, so no nothing essentially. They write about time and physics and dimensions? so present the absolute knowledge of it then, why do university professors know more than FIGU? its because they have demonstrated that they only know a scatter of small little nuggets of things and therefore do not KNOW or demonstrate they know atleast one thing to a good enough satisfactory standard.

From this perspective I see what Mahesh is talking about on his website, this almost proves they’ve had some external source giving them all the answers and FIGU doesn’t know what it means most of the time. Some would say this proves the P’s are giving those answers, others would say they are randomly taking things from books out of context and writing about it. Either this or the FIGU are not honest that in reality they know really nothing, truth, but if they were to admit this then they might finally appreciate the knowledgeable people that approach them year after year and ask them politely to help them.

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