Forum Replies Created
-
AuthorPosts
-
Ed V.ParticipantEd V.Participant
Well, if the Plejarens are real they seem to make an awful lot of mistakes. What’s more likely in my opinion is that Meier can’t help himself elevating himself by dismissing others. I looked at the Meier case for years and the irony is that when a person relays an enormous amount of information you can see the character behind it. When Meier claims to be a highly evolved spirit and the only genuine source of UFO&ET information while dismissing everyone else this points to a narcissistic mind. He wants and needs to feel superior over everyone else. That’s why stories change, always in favor of or in line with Meier’s assumed greatness…
Wayne: “Bill had a ‘companion’ for a short time Eva Beri who escaped and never returned.”
Meier married (not legally) her and gave birth to a daughter Selina in 1997. I think he is still living with her there. If you have been passive member between 2009 and 2011 and have visited FIGU in that period, you must have easily known and verified this.
Very interesting points Ed. What do you think is the reason for Plejaren/Meier flip-flopping on the alleged UFO-contactee stories?
Ed V.ParticipantThanks for telling your experiences. There’s an interview with Methusalem Meier on YouTube where he speaks of the things you told. I was a little shocked to find out that Methi was beaten by his father and carries psychological trauma with him till this day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19qYgUhkM5MIn the early 2000’s there was a husband and wife team Vivienne Legg and Dyson Devine in Australia who were loyal part of the forum in FIGU. For years did donate many long well done translations of Meier’s Contact Notes. About 2008 there arose a debate and a long one with Michael Horn vs. Dyson. It involved Meier’s credibility.
This became a true believer [Horn] against Dyson. Dyson brought up the fact in a major work and in fact all of Meier’s writings a definite prejudice against women in general. Using insulting slang and at times counted up the instances in only one work of Meiers the Book OM.
In this time these Australians had a website called Gaiaguys.net in there posted various slanderous but mainstream local news items pertaining to the Knights Templar the total infection of the Australian government with child sacrificing Satanistic members in addition the Catholic Church in AU is rampant with child prostitution. This was posted routinely. In time the government wanted them to cease and desist. In a series of warnings. Then in a reading Pittah advised to take down this website and hide out. But too late the couple were kidnapped and taken across country detained interrogated for weeks. They then were released to find a way to return home without any assistance. This happened more than once. In time all of The Dyson’s translations and Dyson were slowly quietly disowned. The couple not in the best sorts escaped to Tasmania. Never heard of them again.
On Gaiaguys.net Dyson told me he had to respond daily to 300 emails these asking for help; some for a life time of Catholic Priest abuse; sometimes it does go on for a lifetime. It was a full time job acting as counselor.
I appreciated his help and was for many years in the same line of fire from my own USA government. I found him helpful.
I am now trying to get Methusalem to legally find his father incompetent psychologically and in all finances turn all resources over to his family. Who I read have no part in the inheritance as there is none. There is only a foundation to house all Meier’s works. The property of FIGU is roughly valued at well over 12 million USD.
Ed V.ParticipantBilly Meier seems to hate one person in ufology more than everyone else. And that is George Adamski, more or less the first person to reach a large audience with his story of meeting extraterrestrials. As mentioned in previous posts Billy Meier wastes no time attacking Adamski in his contact reports and starts naming him in his second publication. The following website had run a translation through Google of a German article made by ex-FIGU member Hans-Georg Lanzendorfer. I patched it up a little to make it more readable. What follows are a few excerpts.
https://creationaltruth.org/FIGU/FIGUSociety/Critics/GeorgeAdamski.aspx
Semjase:
“In the previous weeks various people have undertaken considerable effort in moving the deceiver Adamski still as a hero in the light of the public eye and to hold him up as the actual father of the UFO-contacts. Fundamental were his closest friends as witnesses who stated and swore in an affidavit that they have seen and experienced different things with Adamski. These witnesses however unconsciously fell prey to lies and maintain things that do not correspond with the truth. George Adamski had suggestively influenced his friends and acquaintances to such an extent that they saw and experienced things which did not exist. Only very few human beings were aware that Adamski commanded strong suggestive powers, which is why they feared him and kept silent about it. However that he was a phenomenal suggestor was completely unknown, he naturally protected this secret to favor himself. Through his extraordinarily high suggestive power he influenced his friends and acquaintances and led them to believe the most fantastic things, which they then also solemnly testified as the `truth’. His peers are many and they shun no means, in order to make profit.”The interesting part of this excerpt is how Meier deals with eyewitnesses of the Adamski case. Although often portrayed as a hoaxer George Adamski actually had eyewitnesses that supported some of his claims. Some even signed an affidavit. How does Meier tackle this conundrum? He claims Adamski had some sort of power of suggestion (hypnosis) over his friends so that they saw things that weren’t there/ This is how Billy Meier tries to debunk Adamski. Completely outrageous. This is something a desperate con artist comes up with. Meier goes even further.
Billy:
You know however that I already occasionally talked of him. Furthermore, I know him personally as he was in the community center of Zurich in May 1959. I had at that time not really gained a good impression of him, although I had an interpreter talk with him because at the time I was not yet mighty with the English language. I saw however firmly that the man was dominatingly and monstrously obstinate and to me appearing to have an unusual great egoism, that however was hidden through a nearly perfectly played friendship and love for the next one. I found that the man possessed an extraordinary ability of persuasion and suggestion and that he always knew how to put himself in the center of attention. Clearly visible was that he had fallen prey to an ideal, to play helpful for the suppressed ones but to favor himself. It also appeared to me that the fighting against injustice by him only was pretention in order to put himself into the focal point. It appeared to me, that in first and last place for him only his own needs were always predominant, and from the big toe up until to the last hair tips. I had at that time the impression that he was only and always for his own benefit, that he guided a monstrous fantasy and power of suggestion in the highest way…..Of great significance is Meier’s admission that he visited Adamski in 1959. However, the excerpt above is nothing short of character assassination. Even though Meier had another person translating his questions he reaches an enormous negative and slanderous verdict on Adamski. This speaks more about Meier than Adamski. As shown above in other posts Meier is a debunker himself, he discredits others in ufology. Basically everyone that went public. Yet he puts in the extra effort to debunk Adamski. Why? I think the truth can be found in Meier’s plagiarizing;
This seems to be a recurring factor throughout the Meier case. Billy Meier takes an original, copies the original while inserting alterations to his liking. Than he discredits the original while claiming to be the original source himself. It should come as no surprise that Billy Meier spend years in prison. That he escaped from prison and joined the French Foreign Legion only to desert from it. Meier was even expelled from India. All these matters point to Meier being shameless con artist.Ed V.ParticipantHere’s Meier’s story changing regarding the Betty&Barney Hill case.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_37
Meier:
Oh yes, even if I don’t understand the chemical things, your explanation does inform me. But what has happened in the year 1961? This matter is somewhat unknown to me.
Semjase:
Of this i can say: It happened on the 19th of September, in the mountains of New Hampshire in the USA, during the night, when two Earth human beings, by the name of Betty Hill and Barney Hill, a married couple, met with a spaceship of extraterrestrial origin. By oscillation-paralyzers used by the intelligences, their vehicle, an auto, was placed out of function and forced to stop. At the same time both of them were put into a deep hypnosis by telenotical forces. By that their consciousness was paralyzed, by which their conscious recollection was blocked. This I have explained to you before. The purpose of that proceeding by the intelligences was no ill behavior, because their data gathering was only in exploring the Earth human form of life. So they took possession of both Earth human beings for a time of 127 minutes, brought them into their spaceship, and subjected them very thoroughly to their examinations and analyses, while they also took different specimens from both, such as some drops of blood, male sperm, hairs, saliva, finger nails and skin. They took as well, specimens from the shoes and clothing, and from other things too, which were of importance for the analysis of those intelligences. Everything was very carefully examined by them and was recorded radio-photographically.http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_424
Billy:
Aha. – Then, another question regarding the flights of extraterrestrial spaceships in earth’s air space that numbered 3000 per year according to you. Must one assume that these spaceships only belong to you or your federation? In this regard you have never given an explanation. And what was with Kenneth Arnold, who in the 1940s saw several UFOs while flying in his private airplane, and what about Betty and Barney Hill who were allegedly abducted by aliens, like many others who have talked about contacts and abductions as well as medical examinations etc. while under hypnosis?
Ptaah:…What has to be said in respect to the married couple Hill, and all other persons who were allegedly abducted or even medically harmed, or who supposedly had implants implanted, and who under hypnosis exposed these occurrences is, that these occurrences have never happened, and are nothing but illusions, imagination, delusions and deliberate lies, as well as also schizophrenic illusionary products and disturbances of consciousness brought forth through the interference of electromagnetic fields of the earth, through which unrealities, unreal happenings as well as unreal memories and unreal experiences are caused, but also unreal pain, fear and unreal perceptions and so forth……Once again the verdict completely changes from truthful to false while ‘the Plejarens’ seemed pretty sure of themselves. Semjase concluded the Betty&Barney Hill case was real as presented while years later her father Ptaah completely discredits the case. Remarkable since Meier wrote one time that the Plejarens didn’t lie. Researching the contact reports one analysis of the Plejarens seems to be completely false…
Ed V.ParticipantMeier’s statements about contactees can also take a strange turn. Take for example the story of Dan Fry;
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_249
Billy:
What is behind this: Quetzal and Semjase explained to me once that Dan Fry, an American, actually did have contact with extraterrestrials. He is said to have taken photos as well, but he later destroyed them; somebody made forgeries of them and attributed them to Fry. This is supposed to be the reason why none of Dan Fry’s real photos of alien flying objects exist any longer. Even the story about the origin of the extraterrestrials and their accounts was apparently thoroughly distorted. This is what Quetzal told me, but it never appeared in any contact report.
Ptaah:
That is exactly what happened.http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_424
Ptaah:
…..The Gizeh Intelligences transposed via teleprojection apparent realities with visionary experiences into a few others, like Dan Fry and Schmidt etc., who then considered these as reality…So according to Meier’s information first Dan Fry’s case was real yet distorted but later on apparently completely false even though Ptaah seemed pretty sure about himself the first time. Lets take a look at the comments on Kenneth Arnold.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_2
Billy:
First of all, I would be interested to know about Kenneth Arnold. Am I correct that he was not a fraud?
Semjase:
59. Certainly, this man was no fraud, for he really had seen our beamships.
60. Many other pilots have encountered our beamships or alien ones as well.http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_424
Ptaah:
In respect to Kenneth Arnold we have found out through our three-year investigations that he did not observe any extraterrestrial flying objects but secret US test flights of one-winged aircraft.As you can see stories change and are somewhat contradictory. First Semjase spoke positively about Kenneth Arnold’s sighting being ET spaceships but later on the story changed to classified U.S. airplanes whose speed (clocked by Arnold) hasn’t been replicated since. If the Plejarens are real they seem to be somewhat overconfident in their statements..
Ed V.ParticipantHi Mahesh,
I recall reading an article in the 1980s about Billy Meier in one of those tabloid magazines. Along with his photographs there was a drawing of Semjase. I recall vividly because the drawing startled me and I flipped the page back a few times thinking it was strange. Semjase was depicted as a female astronaut but her eyes were slanted and black. Haven’t seen that drawing since.
In 1994 or 1995 I went to a local UFO conference about UFOs and the organizers had a segment about Billy Meier and his alleged UFO/ET case. The organizers warned that Meier was controversial but also gave his postal adress if you wanted to order material from them. Later on I did this and received a few contact reports in (small) books. In the latter half of the 1990s the internet became available (and somewhat affordable) and I read up on Billy Meier on the FIGU website as well as other websites that had translated his contact reports.Over time this happened. The more I read about Billy Meier the more I started questioning him. As a kid and teenager I already read books about UFOs and çontactees’so therefore I knew about many cases well before Meier’s. Reading Meier’s contact reports I was baffled seeing that Meier concludes most contactees are hoaxers and frauds. That was a big nail in the coffin since Meier comes up with ridiculous explanations in order to discredit other UFO/ET material. The second nail was when I found out Meier spend years in prison, his escape from prison, him joining the French Foreign Legion and subsequently deserting from it. The third nail were his reincarnation claims with him claiming that his spiritform also was Jmmanuel (Jesus Christ), Mohammed and other biblical figures. The final nail was the crystal clear similarity between his alleged ET probe the WCUFO and a drum lid from the Harcostar company. My firm conclusion is that Meier is a hoaxer and a fraud who suffers from a mental disorder, megalomania.
September 7, 2016 at 10:29 AM in reply to: Did ANY of the Billy Meier Predictions Ever Come True? #7219noamParticipanti believe its feasible, base upon a portion of what ive read.its interesting most of what his E.t friends told him. some info. i find that our science has not decoded.
Thanks WM. You will find our article published today even more fascinating.
If you are interested, could you send us what information from Edgar Cayce’s material is similar to Meier?
January 23, 2016 at 9:24 PM in reply to: Did ANY of the Billy Meier Predictions Ever Come True? #6190I, after years of studying and analyzing evidence, now strongly believe that the case has been hoax right from the start and has been all the way through. But due to amount of gullibility around Meier among FIGU and of course the investigators, Meier came out unscathed and was able to form an organization and an organized funding structure in place.
- This reply was modified 8 years, 3 months ago by mahigitam.
January 23, 2016 at 2:18 PM in reply to: Did ANY of the Billy Meier Predictions Ever Come True? #6186WMParticipantIn recently being exposed to some substantial levels of detail regarding Edgar Cayce’s and Yogananda’s work, partially in content, but even more in organizational setup and terminology, I realized that, in addition to already seeing Meier’s replication of many Eastern traditions, he could have really ripped a lot off from these as well as several other sources.
This plus the horrible fake photos, endless “special” conditions and raging psychological manipulation of the FIGU members just puts it over the edge.
He’s post-dicting and doing too much deceiving. This is harming people and needs to be contained. We certainly don’t want a critical through disabled future humanity falling into any unnecessary traps in the future, nor now.
Truth needs to be shone upon this entire matter.
I sent you guys an email with a further photo evidence addition to your WCUFO examination which I think has value.
What do you think of the entire case? A simple fake from the start or one of the multitude of more complex possibilities?
January 23, 2016 at 11:39 AM in reply to: Did ANY of the Billy Meier Predictions Ever Come True? #6183And by the way, have you read our research debunking Meier’s prophecies/predictions? If not here it is:
Billy Meier’s Prophecies, Predictions & Probability Calculations
-
AuthorPosts