Is it POSSIBLE for aliens to have staged a fake UFO hoax?

[Taro]

Sure. But contact stories alone are just that: Stories. What sets the Meier case apart from others is the volumes of scientifically tested and unduplicatable UFO evidence. No other UFO case comes close. Roswell has no physical evidence and its level of witness evidence can be compared to that of the Meier case.

[Elba]

In my opinion the point of all of this is that the human being is striving to cast off all that is changeable or just simply the material for the permanent truth/creational laws/creational recommendations or just simply the spiritual. I think now we might get a better understanding of why the human being eventually evolves out of the material and casts off a body for immaterial existence as half-spiritual and then eventually full-spiritual BEINGS. This has been the process all along….

Best regards,
Chrissian Elba

[Elba]

[Ed V.]

Taro, if you combine the George Adamski and Howard Menger case you have a huge amount of films, photographs and eyewitnesses. These two people apparently met the same people and if you search even further many more had encounters. There’s something worthy of study…

[Taro]

Let me just be clear: You accept Adamski and Menger but you dismiss the Meier case, correct? Meier’s UFO evidence has been tested using science a number of times. Has any of Adamski’s or Menger’s? Meier’s evidence contains physics impossible for small models. Adamski’s and Menger’s can be easily duplicated. Meier has HUNDREDS of UFO photos, numerous films, a sound recording, metal-crystal samples, landing tracks, weapon discharge markings. Adamski and Menger have a small handful between the two of them. Meier has at least double the witness count as Adamski and Menger put together. So, where’s the logic? If you’re convinced the Meier case is a hoax then consistent logic would put Adamski and Menger in the same category. And yet here we are. Ed V., the more you keep posting, the more I’m convinced you have a deep-seated NEED for the Meier case to be a hoax. I’m still curious to know WHY.

[Jacobs Trouble]

Michael Horn says nonsense like “the people were warned”, “and did they listen”, “and still they fly”, “and yet they fly” etc, but then he says its a “silent revolution of truth” etc, but it’s all nonsense, rhetorical and factually inaccurate because that is the point they were not warned and they could not have listened because they were not warned and they don’t still fly because the sightings have amounted to less than a few minutes if all added up together as a duration, and it’s irrelevant if yet this amounts to a theoretical continuation in the sky where no one can see. The paradox of claiming its silent and supposed to be listened to, revolutionary yet based on flying saucers and contactees which appeals to a minority of crazies is underwhelming.

[Mango No5]

“organised religions such as Christianity Catholicism Islam Buddhism Judaism Hinduism… had to be introduced by the Plejaren”

Can anyone please tell me about this? I did not know Billy Meier was about that. thanks

[Ed V.]

Why? Because there’s something the Adamski and Menger case does even better then the Meier case. Multiple observations of the ‘ETs’ themselves. Seeing them for yourselves makes all the difference and when Meier claims Adamski and Menger are frauds you know who the real fraud is…

[Taro]

Jacobs Trouble, is it safe to assume you do NOT believe it is possible for aliens to stage a fake UFO hoax? If not, why not?

[Taro]

Mango No5, the quote is inaccurate. According to Meier, his spiritual teachings today are the same as they were in earlier incarnations but were distorted into the religions they are today by others.

[Taro]

“Why? Because there’s something the Adamski and Menger case does even better then the Meier case. Multiple observations of the ‘ETs’ themselves.”

Actually, Kalliope Meier was witness to a Plejaren/Pleaidian on two separate occasions. Also, Marcel Vogel claimed telepathic contact with Semjase. How would you count that? But if you’re referring to the fact that both Adamski and Menger claim contact with the same ET’s, none of their UFO evidence stands up to the same level of scrutiny Meier’s UFO evidence was subjected to.

“Seeing them for yourselves makes all the difference”

Ed V., are you “Edward Fisher”/”Terrarubicon”? This conversation is a carbon copy of one I had a year ago. Are you telling me you’ve met an alien? Please, tell me ALL about it.

“and when Meier claims Adamski and Menger are frauds you know who the real fraud is…”

Do you? IF Adamski and/or Menger are genuine contactees and Meier claims they are not, does this automatically make Meier’s UFO case a hoax? How does this explain the impossible physics in Meier’s UFO footage? Why do you believe it’s impossible for aliens to have staged a fake UFO hoax, Ed?

[Jacobs Trouble]

Hi Taro, I think it’s worthy of being explored some more. If we proportionate it properly there are ramifications for it, examples: it may mean the Plejaren are bordering a type of mild unsanity or mild delusional complex, maybe the wrong words and I’m being mindful not to be offensive to them either because they are worthy of a friendly welcome, I didn’t want to say a type of psychopathy because they are in full acknowledgement of their actions, I mean maybe a mild compulsive fanaticism… but only if we look deeply into it, into the deeper side of life, we could say they have tried to educate us in some carefully measured ways. However they don’t seem to know who they are dealing with, yet on the other hand in a carefully measured way definitely know who they are addressing. There are some more interesting things about the theory which become heavy and deep, I am not sure this is the correct place to talk about them because this is a place of very shallow conversations but I agree there is something right about the theory. Remember it’s the white notable person who they take after, common descent, if we are reasonable we can say they are also, if we are realist and view them proportionally are of the same nature, mildly unsane, in a friendly advanced sort of a way.

However I think there has never been a successful skeptic who has acknowledged that there is an additional fundamental force and throughout [billy Meier contacts] it has been used, demonstrated, discussed and experimented with, in a demonstrationally context.

The alarming observations I made was that when a skeptic abandoned Billy Meiers explanations they turned into a stupid small, when a scientist acknowledged the explanations merit they sunk into the correct proportionate realist small, when a religious fundamentalist fanatic theist person delved into the explanations they were bigger than before, when an atheist person viewed them they were clearer than they’ve ever been, when an academic took the time over his explanations he was aware of his poor structural integrity, when a philosopher viewed Billy’s explanations he was stronger than before, when a slanderer view Billy Meiers explanations he didn’t see what was written, when a psychopath read Billy’s explanations he disappeared never to be seen again on some wild campaign, when a politician read Billy Meiers explanations he got all his men together around a table and not for any particular reason just observed his position for the first time, when an astronomer read Billy Meiers explanations he saw more through his telescope than before, when a business trader read Billy Meiers explanations he lost most of his fortune and the plot, when the tenured airline pilot read Billy’s writings he was just more excited about his career, when the other persons read Billy Meiers writings they also had many diverse interesting reactions to it, considerably reactive matter.

[Taro]

I’m not sure I understood all of that but I think I know what you mean. It’s possible that they are so far evolved from our level that they don’t understand all aspects of our society. Humour, for example. However, it is equally possible that they do understand us, particularly since they, according to Meier, have been monitoring our society for thousands of years. The elements of the case which make them appear to suffer some psychopathy may all be part of the plan. But that’s just my take on it.

[Jacobs Trouble]

Earth has individuals which have spirit forms as evolved as they are and one (nokodemion) which is older, as a minority about 3 million total, but the rest are much younger spirit forms and new spirit forms and those spirit forms which are primary and reasoned life spirit forms. If they don’t understand us and they created some ufo hoax with the wedding cake ufo then it is because of that. When I say they don’t understand us, they do obviously, but on some individuals they have to put them under the magnifying glass as Meier said it.

However if we consider they put a ufo hoax there to convince us, that shows a very low level of expectation and low values of observation and that they don’t understand us because if we look at governments, universities, big business, no they don’t respond well to ufo hoaxes and religious knowledge and all the other weird and wonderful things Meier does ie they don’t understand us do they obviously.

In another way you could call Meier either incredibly smart or incredibly stupid and both in another way, because to introduce such a people who don’t respond well to lots of weird and wonderful stuff by something they don’t respnd well to that is stupid, but if it was to identify that prejudice against weird and wonderful then very successful and smart, but in equal measure if both are offset against each other then neither progress not any other value he claims to promote would ever be listened to or heard or whatever figu’s aim is exactly

[Taro]

However if we consider they put a ufo hoax there to convince us

I don’t think this is the case. The appearance of a hoax on the surface serves to protect those who really are not ready for the extraterrestrial reality. Also for those who choose to reject it for other reasons. I don’t believe they are interested in convincing us but rather hiding the truth within a mystery and letting us figure it out if we choose to, the rosetta stone being science in many cases.

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